Why do people want the world to accept homosexuality as normal? It's not normal, it goes against nature. To me it is an indulgence of desires not unlike anything gluttony or drugs. I have nothing against people that live the lifestyle I just don't think they should try to get the rest of the world (the 98% rest) to accept homosexuality as if it were as natural as making ones bed in the morning. FACTS: It is an anomaly (less than 2 out of every 100), AIDS affects the gay community worse than any other, people testify to being straight and becoming gay, being born gay, and going from gay to straight. Tell me what you think. if gay was natural it would lead to reproduction. Does the fact that a man can have sex with an animal make it natural? No. Why? because it does not lead to reproduction. #1 just because something is relatively uncommon does not
make it abnormal--try left-handedness
#2 just because it is necessary for heterosexuality to exist
does not mean that it is necessary for everyone to be
heterosexual, especially in a society of 6 billion!
#3 it actually does occur in species other than humans...the
higher up on the chain of evolution you venture, the more
you see it
#4 human sexuality is very complex. we are not tiny insects
who live to mate, eat and sleep. With the range of human
emotions, our "natural" is quite different from that of
simple life forms.
#5 AIDS only affects gay men worse than others. Lesbians
have the lowest risk of AIDS and other STDs. So...this is a
gender correlation rather than a sexual orientation one.
#6 People actually do not change their sexual orientation.
The very few who claim to are overly publicized. One can
change how they identify and behave, but not inner
feelings. If someone feels ashamed, they can simply
convince themselves they are straight. Don't believe
everything you hear.
#7 Heteroseuxality is an indulgence of desires as well.
Without desire, there would be no sexuality.
#8 It is not really a "lifestyle." This word applies to habits,
such as level of promiscuity. Homosexuals vary as much
as heterosexuals in their lifestyles.
#9 No one would choose to be gay in a society that trains us
to be straight.
#10 Gluttony and drugs are harmful, while homosexuality is
not dangerous in anyone. But denying it is.
#11 Love is always good. Period.
Hope I've helped give you some clarity. i think you are born gay, bi, "normal", whatever. it's in your blood man. you don't turn gay or turn straight, it is what it is. it is nature, how could it be against? i think u need to get your facts right next time. it seems like you already have your mind made up. i don't beleive anyone can truly understand what being gay means unless they are gay themselves. that whole it's not normal thing is just tired bulls hit. some people are gay and that's it. why create a culture that permeates the hatred twords gays when you can just say it is what it is and let's move on. It is a biological fact that a mans G-spot is located in his rectal cavity above the prostate.
Anal receptive sex between men is natural. If it wasn't *normal* men would not get an erection from being penetrated, nor would they be able to ejaculate while their lovers penis was pounding away at their ********.
I am gay. I can love. Love is normal. Love is NOT an addiction. Love is a GIFT not a drug, you idiot!
Oprah Winfrey is a 52 year-old STRAIGHT woman who has failed to REPRODUCE CHILDREN. Is she *abnormal* too?
AIDS does NOT magically appear out of thin air just because two gay men get naked and hop into bed with one another.
HIV is spread through UNSAFE SEX NOT GAY SEX.
If you think your *gay friends* are deviating from the *path of nature* you are not really a friend, are you? By you asking this re-run of a question in this forum speaks volumes!!
Sorry, but this is a no brain-er!! maybe gays don't want to be drug from there homes in the middle of the night and shot in the street. is that what you people want? so what if its not very common? im the only one in my family with green eyes. does that mean i should have to spend my life hearing about it? i think that they just want to be seen as people, not as head cases, not as a sickness, just people i take it you won't be marching in our gay parade this year ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I'm sorry, were you saying something that hasn't already been disproven by science?
NO? Oh well then...
Look, if we've stated it once, we've stated it a thousand times...here are the facts.
1: The APA REMOVED "homosexuality" from their list of disorders back in 1975 because it poses no harm to those who are gay or others.
2: Homosexuality has been observed in over 500 species of animals OTHER THAN Humans!
3: Homosexuality is NOT an addiction.
4: Homosexuality is NOT a "lifestyle!" We don't have special gay cars, gay houses, gay clothing, gay taxes...etc. It's simply PART of who we are as individuals.
5: HIV/AIDS is MOST prevelent among STRAIGHT MALES worldwide! Try checking your facts with the W.H.O. (World Health Organization)
6: There is NO such think as a sucessful "conversion" from being gay to becomming straight. NOT ONE of the supposed organizations who claim this keep ANY sort of records attesting to their supposed sucesses....why? Because it can't happen!
Also NOT ONE of these groups employs a board certified or accredited psycho-therapist, psychologist or psychiatrist! NOT ONE.
7: Being gay is NO MORE an "anomaly" as being left handed or red haired. There are NO ACCURATE statistics on the true number of GLBTs in the world because of the intence ignorance, hatred, misinformation and religious beratement against homosexuality, forcing many to remain closeted sometimes for entire lifetimes.
Such hatred still is the NUMBER ONE reason why so many American teens attempt suicide each year!!! Technically speaking, homosexuality is not against nature because it is found all over the animal kingdom.
I think most homosexuals pretty much just want to be left alone to live as they please. Homosexual MEN have a higher incident of HIV/AIDS than the general population. This is due to a high incident of sexual promiscuity, not because they are gay, but because they are gay men. The same trend is not found in gay women.
HIV/AIDS is affects heterosexual populations to such an extent in some parts of the world that 1 in 3 adults are infected, and more heterosexuals are infected than homosexuals. Both in terms of percentage and sheer number of cases.
If you really want to battle something, battle sexual promiscuity, prostitution and infidelity, and unprotected sex, then you will see a drop in HIV/AIDS cases.
You do not have to agree with homosexuality. You are free to openly proclaim that you find it revolting.But do your research before you try to justify your disgust. People are born to have a desire for men women both whatever from the first day of life. It is what people themselves like. It's just like you prefering skinny people over fat, or blondes over brunettes. You can't go from one or the other. People have to learn to accept it because not accepting it causes the innocent people to want to kill themselves. I would rather see gay couples be together then a gay man marry a woman and live a lie his whole life and not be happy. Plus the only ******* reason AIDS is so big in the gay comm: they don't use condoms. They can't get pregnant so some of the less educated gays don't use any protection. Just the same as not using it with women. It's not like you can't get it from women. Well your whole statement is an opinion, a wrong. Black heterosexual women are the highest number of HIV infections...It isn't a homosexual disease, proven statistics show Gay men get it less.
Now, I know that years of denying, and or being ashamed of who you are led to some gay/lesbians like myself coming out at a late age..But Honey, I've always been gay, I use to live my life for others..not wanting a backlash from family, and friends. Now, I don't care what ANYONE thinks..this is my life and I have to be happy with who I am, and my family and friends love me just the same, and so does Jesus.
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change...Gourage to change the things I can...And the wisdom to know the difference"
So, not even you can tell me I am not normal!! Why do people want the world to accept homosexuals? The same way you want people to accept your purple eyes. Just coz someone is gay it doesnt mean that they dont understand the nature of a straight couple. Maybe they dont understand it in the terms of being sexually involved with someone from the opposite sex but they definatly understand it's purposes. You cant create a PERFECT world. You cant expect to make a world full of man and woman and for homosexuality not to occur. Its always occured and it always will and the reason why people ask for acceptence is so their lives can be eazier and they dont have to deal with peoples critisizam and being worried about their safety on the streets just because they love someone who happends to be of the same sex. Would you like someone bashing you up because you were born with purple eyes? You cant help the way you are and you are dealing with your own insecurities and you dont need the rest of the world making it worse for you, do you? Instead of getting yourself worked up and wondering why and how homosexuality could be normal or not you can do something more worthwhile with your time like concentrating on something thats going to have a positive outcome in your life, try focusing on your goals and dreams and be more involved with your loved ones instead of worrying about other peoples buissness in this world. Its good to know about it and be educated but dont stress your little head over it. And BTW the thing you said about AIDS isnt exactly true, it occurs as much in straight people as it does in gays, it has nothing to do with sexual orientation.
Does everything have to lead to reproduction? Imagine we were all straight and we all had as many kids, the world would be OVER POPULATED! Plus what about straight couples who cant have kids? Their relationship wont lead to reproduction simply because they cant have kids, does this mean that them in general arent normal as human beings? Look around you, try and be a bit more open-minded about things. Finally. You鈥檙e not insulting anybody, just stating your opinion, and I really appreciate that, even if your point of view is different from most of them in this section. However I don鈥檛 think that anything (concerning ideas) will change, neither with you, nor with us, but I accept your posting and I like that you鈥檙e working with arguments.
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I just wonder where 鈥榥ormal鈥?ends and 鈥榓bnormal鈥?starts. Actually I don鈥檛 think it goes against nature. Of course gays are not able to get pregnant (apart from other opportunities to get pregnant anyway e.g. by using in vitro fertilisation as far as lesbians are concerned). There are gay animals in nature (have a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuali...
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Is it according to our nature to fly? Our bodies weren鈥檛 meant for flying, since we don鈥檛 have any wings and still we do so? Is it natural to keep domestic animals? I can鈥檛 remember any animal (for referring to 鈥榥atural鈥? which keeps animals just for fun as well.
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I agree that AIDS is the very problem concerning gays and I won鈥檛 be apologizing for those who act careless concerning that topic. Compared a gay has a much higher chance of getting infected, but does that mean, that every gay does so? One should be separating鈥?there are other diseases as well, which 鈥榩refer鈥?women or men, but that doesn鈥檛 mean that god is punishing them or that it鈥檚 bad to be either male or female. It's pretty arrogant of you to say something your god supposedly made isn't natural.
How is procreation the basis of something being natural? Most of what I do in my life can't lead to procreation.
It may shock you, but gays occurred without scientific intervention. Guess what... they exist naturally. Nobody had to make them.
Please, stop being so close minded.
You're typing on a computer. Where in nature is an internet connection? I guess the fact that you like to use the internet makes you unnatural. Maybe I should call you a packott (from the "packets" sent over your connection) just because you like to use the internet. It goes against nature!
I bet you watch TV. That's not natural either. Man wasn't meant to sit on his *** and stare at some glowing glass for hours on end.
How about all the babies saved through medical science? That's not natural, I guess we can't accept those people either.
****, we're running out of people.
Every one with plastic surgery, shun them too.
Oh, eating meat raised in a box isn't natural, you didn't hunt it.
Processed food isn't natural, so anybody who eats from a super market needs to be condemned.
Oh, medicine CERTAINLY isn't natural.
Am I driving my point home yet?
Each one of those, man intervened to create, save, or steal. It's all unnatural.
However, gays exist with no help from others. They occur just as straights do. Firstly, there will be plenty of people who will send links about how homosexuality exists in nature and animals, so the statement about "going against nature is absurd". Secondly, what is this so called "normal"? Also, how do you know its an anomaly ( do you know, every persons sexual orientation? Have you done an indepth study on the amount of people whose sexual orientation changes over time? See the Kinsey report if you have some confusion over sexual orientation.) Thirdly, a persons sexual orientation is only one part of who they are. A persons sexual orientation changes over time and can fluxuate.
Fourth: HIV and AID's affect all genders and all sexual orientations. See "In western countries HIV was originally seen as an illness affecting only gay men or IV drug users. This is no longer the case. 99% of infections are amongst heterosexuals, about half being women, and with about 14 million AIDS orphans (end 2001, UNAIDS). In the US and Europe over half of new infections are amongst heterosexuals." http://www.straightarrows.org.au/
Getting back to the original argument that it is normal.. well, what is normal>? All knowledge is socially constructed, meaning that "what is normal in some cultures is not normal in others, what is normal in some era's is not normal in others, meaning that the definitions of normality have changed over time (historically) in response to our society changes and evolves.
However, this view of 'natural' difference is difficult to support when notions of appropriate gender behaviour are not static, but differ over time, between ethnic and cultural groups, and even between and within families.
Lastly, you mention something about that the one of your arguments has to do with reproduction...
what about women who cannot or chose not to reproduce? Are you going to attach a label of "unnatural" onto them? Your propaganda material is bunk, and you are a victim of lacking real knowledge. However, I do agree with you that heterosexuality has done much harm to many people. And you are right to consider that AIDS is proven more prevalent with people who live the heterosexual lifestyle.
It is true, as you stated, heterosexuals have depleted common sense in regards to marriage and procreation. The heterosexual divorce-rate being over 50% is alarming and sends a very hypocritical message from religious conservatives. I sleep better at night knowing that you fight for the rights of all. To you it isn't normal because you're a heterosexual. To me and hundreds of millions like myself it is perfectly natural because we are Schwul ... gay ... homosexual ... what ever word you want to use. Your statistics are meaningless. "if gay was natural it would lead to reproduction."
Hm. Well then, if taking care of old people was natural, it would lead to reproduction. So kill your grandparents. Your definition of natural is a little narrow. Natural does not = reproduction, it = whatever happens in nature.
Furthermore, by your reasoning, any trait that's in the minority is an anomaly and not to be accepted as normal. So, brown eyes are normal, anything else isn't and shouldn't be accepted as natural and normal. The KKK is right, and minorities in this country aren't normal or natural.
Your thinking is dangerous. It doesn't matter to me, frankly, whether you think I'm "normal" or not. If what I'm doing isn't hurting you or anyone else, you don't need to be trying to put your judgments on my back.
Neither you nor anyone else knows how many gay people there are in the world. I am middle-aged, was married for 10 years, and have reproduced. No one who was compiling statistics ever asked me what my sexual preference was, and I'm sure there are millions of people in the world like me.
Furthermore, your claim that AIDS affects gays more than anyone else, if true, still proves nothing. Using your logic, any infectious epidemic that kills a large percentage of the population would be an indication that society itself is unnatural, since contact among members of society spreads the disease. Think flu in 1918, plague in the middle ages, etc.
Thus, if society itself is unnatural, I think you need not be worrying so much about a small portion of it. It sounds to me as you're looking for someone to persecute. Hope you get past that. I think that question has come up a couple of times already.
For a start, it is a normal human AND animal (higher order) behaviour, even though it baffles scientists because, you state it, it is not reproductive. By the same principle homosexuality should have died out long ago but it has not. There might be many reasons to this, from scientific over mystic.
The homosexual part of any population/culture/society in the world is around 10%
Some parts of the wold have more AIDS in the 'regular' population due to prostitution than in the homosexual population.
Google it... there is a lot of material which might provide you with some interesting topics when sitting with your homosexual friends over a good bottle of wine...! I think the number is closer to 10% are homosexual. I believe over 1,500 species have been observed to have homosexuals in them - I think usually 10% of the total population. So it is quite normal. (1/4 of the black swans are raised by homosexual swans.) So they are happy-camper family groups which aid reproduction by raising young while the heterosexuals are off (I assume) making more eggs. I understand homosexual individuals are allowed into alpha-male groups with females because they are not a threat, thereby strengthening hunting groups.
If reproduction is the sole issue of why something is normal, then I am not normal. I am a married heterosexual female who refused to reproduce. Thus, I am abnormal.
But - very happy! Much happier than if I had had kids!
Oh, yes, I am also one of the 10% that are left-handed. So I am abnormal that way, too! (I also had my appendix out, but I don't know what the percentage is on that.) ^what they said....
you are wrong. WOW - how can anyone possible add any more value to what has already been said here. To you all above I salute you and feel proud that I am rubbing shoulders with worldly giants.
Bless you all XXXXXX
Mark from Australia. The one site you give for HIV/AIDS says "47% of people diagnosed with AIDS were probably infected with HIV through male-to-male sexual contact." Please note the "probably" this seems to indicate that they don't know for sure, or else it wouldn't say probably. They are inferring this information, they don't have the hard data.
It's just as likely that they got it from using prostitutes, or taking drugs, or some other cause. It's not conclusive when they say "probably". HIV is a human disease, to think you're somehow immune because of heterosexuality is silly. Plus this still shows that 53% were "probably" infected through heterosexual contact. Oh and it says "male-to-male contact" not homosexuality. Homosexuality alone does not make one contract HIV more easily, it's having unprotected sex that does.
So the facts seem skewed already. Plus HIV had spread faster in the gay community back in the 70s and 80s before they knew what it was. The spread slowed in the 90s drastically as I recall because word of it was everywhere. So you still have people who are infected, but not dying, because of medications. Some people have had it 20 years. So a higher number of cases will be in the gay community for this reason. If these people lose their health care then they stop managing HIV and it turns to AIDS, which is also what would fuel that statistic.
Either way it seems odd, because few people are diagnosed with AIDS nowadays. AIDS is the end stage of HIV, most people are diagnosed with HIV. The whole thing seems very fishy.
Also, globally, AIDS affects more heterosexuals than homosexuals for sure. Take a look at the African countries for an example, there's no way you can tell me 47% of the population there has male-to-male contact if as you say only 2% of the population is gay.
Now as for the rest. Homosexuality can play a natural part in population control if you like, that's the first most logical natural thing it contributes to. Especially since birth order is the best way to determine homosexuality, every older brother a boy has increases his chances of being gay by 33%.
The other thing is that it seems that women with the "gay gene" are more fertile and have more offspring. So the same gene that makes them more fertile is thought to be the same that causes them to have a higher chance of having a gay child. Wiki says "genetic material being passed down on the X chromosome which both promotes fertility in the mother and homosexuality in her male offspring."
If that doesn't serve a purpose I don't know what would.
Anyhow, even an "anomaly" as you put it doesn't lessen us as human beings. It does not mean we shouldn't have the same rights and freedoms. People in wheelchairs are an "anomaly", and they still have rights, same with midgets, albinos etc. Discrimination for any "anomaly" if wrong, pure and simple, we just want to be treated the same as anyone else, not special treatment. The real end goal is full assimilation, where noone cares if you're GLBT or S, you just are a person first, the rest is in the fine print.
Oh and it is not an "indulgence" you pick indulgence, apple or pie or none. I get no say in this, I never got a choice. Hell I don't want to be gay even, but I still am. Indulgence implies choice, I have none in this, much like you have no choice in your sexual orientation.
I will agree with you on one thing, we are a minority. But so are straight people according to studies, especially the good old Kinsey studies. They say about 10% of people are gay(that's where that saying comes from), that about 10% are straight, and that 80% are bisexual to varying degrees.
Lastly, nature requires diversity, it is the most natural thing there is, so don't try to homogenize everything, and especially never oppress anyone based on one little fact.
Maybe if we were accepted, we'd never have such a bad AIDS epidemic as what has hit the community. It's reasuring that people like you are still out there in the world. You claim that you have friends who are gay?? With your way of thinking?? Looking at the avert site, it appears that 53% of HIV cases are a result of something OTHER THAN male on male sexual contact.
Do you derive sexual pleasure while trying to procreate?? This should also be considered unnatural. If you're married, then having sex with your wife is also considered unnatural as you as a couple can no longer reproduce. Normal is a statistical term, so no its not normal. its by definition abnormal. It is not the way that God intended from the beginning. Male and female. May God Bless U. It is learned and a sin before God.. |
