1.Studies in cosmology have demonstrated in recent years that there
was a time when the cosmos did not exist鈥攖hat it had a beginning
at a specific point in time. This is exactly what the Bible states. In
Genesis 1:1.
Does this prove to you that God was the creator of the universe because if something didn't exist (physical) then that means it was designed or created and every creation needs a creator.
3. We are told that carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen and ammonia
combined randomly, with the aid of solar energy and cosmic rays,
to form amino acids and DNA molecules. Over eons of time, cells
supposedly developed from these accidental combinations. While
this may sound plausible, biochemists know better. Scientists who
have tried to produce life by these methods have learned that it is
much more difficult than their theories would suggest. A DNA
molecule contains as much information as a volume of an encyclopedia.
Proposing this evolutionary theory of life鈥檚 origins is
analogous to suggesting that an explosion in a junk yard could
produce a fully assembled automobile鈥攁nd that this automobile
could then begin reproducing itself! Human beings can speculate that life could be generated spontaneously
from non-living matter, but the facts do not agree with
these speculations. Man has not been able to produce life鈥攊n
spite of considerable effort on the part of highly intelligent individuals.
Scripture portrays God as creating life. In Genesis 2:7 we
read: 鈥淭he LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living
being鈥濃€攕omething all the sophisticated laboratories in the
world have been unable to begin to duplicate. Life demands a lifegiver.
There appears to be no other way. A good set of questions. I'll try to answer them to my limits.
1. The big bang is a point where the laws of physics as we understand them break down, or more specifically are not well understood (at 10e-36 seconds) but after the first second, we can more or less explain everything we have seen in the universe.
There is a serious concern in physics regarding the mass available in the universe (dark-matter/energy + normal matter/energy) and should the overall net mass of the universe be too small, then it implies that the universe was in fact "started", what was the causation of that start, is probably not a knowable fact from a scientific perspective, in this case we can as reasonable natural speculation as to the existence of a universal creator.
If however, there is sufficient mass when we discover how to infer that quantity, then we can calculate through normal knowable physical laws, that the state of the universe could be considered both infinite and cyclical, expanding and contracting upon itself - more or less forever.
(no 2)
3. We are not just told that these chemicals are available, we can see vast interstellar clouds of amino acids and chemicals, the very chemicals that we ourselves are composed of. Within the next 30 years, we will likely send space-probes to the outer moons of the solar system.
If - in these less than human hospitable environments, we find something like slime-mold or other organisms which are either in the oceans or on the surface of these moons, and (importantly) can determine that these organisms or life-forms are NOT transplants from Earth, we can know that life can arise independently on two worlds in a single solar system.
To your specific point about the complexity of DNA, while DNA is in fact very complex , it is not to say it is infinitely so, there are certainly more conceivably complex and efficient mechanisms for information storage at a biochemical level. DNA is kind of like the ultra-sleek show-room model of car, very nice, very complex and advanced with all the features we want, in this regard and certainly represents the "state of the art" from a biochemical perspective (at least on this planet).
However, it's not entirely helpful if you want to understand the basic bio-mechanical mechanisms of replication and evolution. When examining for that, you can look at small bits of DNA, but really you want to look at the Model-T or perhaps the ox-cart of biochemical messenger systems - RNA.
Regarding simpler life-forms though, the simplest "life" as we know it at present, are prions, which are simple large proteins and small chunks of RNA or RNA like structures, which replicate and form copies of themselves but are wildly prone to errors due to RNA being pretty unstable.
Much more primitive than viruses, these structures are formed and are made directly out of macro-molecular combinations of amino-acids, and as such could definitely be caused by the proper environmental conditions.
So to start out with DNA is not entirely helpful , however when you look down the food-chain at the simpler models of "pre-DNA" replication tools , it's definitely the case that these structures ARE commonly formed.
And for my money the most exciting field of research humans are investigating right now is evolutionary computing, as you say, throwing random chunks of simulated "code" into a computer environment, and letting SIMPLE evolutionary rules take place.
These methods are ALREADY used to form the basis of machine intelligence, and are the most likely mechanism for the emergence of another sentient "species" on our planet, the age of intelligent machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m97_kL4o...
However, what I think is incredibly important to understand and nearly always missed in our pop discussions about these matters, is that neither the Big Bang, or Darwinian evolutionary theories, nor really anything else in science have very much to say - at all about the presence/existence of God.
Evolution and the big bang could both be completely correct (we know that both events occur (or occurred) but we - as yet have an incomplete understanding of both phenomenon).
It's entirely possible that evolution is how God get's his work done. We are - in theory - talking about an entity that has quite alot of time on it's hands, so this may not be such an issue.
However, when we speculate about the existence of God we are really talking about an entity or entities which are capable of performing actions which - to bronze age traders and herdsmen would appear - for all intents and purposes - to be God.
Science shows us that with the application of sufficient energy, it's entirely possible to engineer whole planetary systems, so it's entirely possible and within the realm of scientific possibility that in fact an ENTIRE solar system could be engineered - created - in fact. The energies and timescales necessary are vast and beyond the comprehension of folks but it's not at all beyond possibility.
I've always found Michiu Kaku's explanation about super-civilizations wonderfully pop and simple to understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7FVjATcq...
When cosmologists and astronomers go 'looking' for intelligent life in the universe, they don't go looking for UFO's and little green men visiting farmers in Iowa, they look to the stars and have classified the kinds of civilizations that "could exist".
Type 1 civilizations - these are civilizations that have control over most of the forms of energy on their home world and any habitable worlds of their main star-system, they can manipulate - to lesser or greater control - the environments of planets they inhabit.
Type 2 civilizations - these are civilizations that have control over a significant percentage of the energy coming from the star or stars around which their civilizations inhabit and are able to engineer projects on the scale of planetary engineering and are beginning to consider or exert some control over the fabric of space-time itself.
Type 3 civilizations - these are civilizations which have varying degrees of control over the energy of regions of a galaxy - anything from a few dozen stars up to civilizations which span entire galaxies and have measure of control over both energy and space-time itself within the local area of their control - creating structures and engineering projects on the scale of galaxies.
We are just, in the last few thousand years becoming a type 0 civilization - we have limited control over the energy available to us - in the form of what comes from the Sun or from the internal heat of the planet, and typically we get most of our energy by either burning dead plants or expending resources.
On the scale of things - we are somewhere between a 0.5 and probably a 0.6, but within the next 200-300 years - if we don't blow ourselves up or something else, it's very likely we could become a type 0.9 or 1 civilization ourselves.
At the end of the day, we are just - within the last 200 years - coming to understand such basic processes of life as evolution or hydrocycles or geology or paleontology or computer science but within the last 200 years we've discovered vast amounts of information about our universe that no one person could even hope to know. Just FYI - before the Big Bang, time did not exist. I accept nothing on faith.
The evidence for the big bang, the evidence for evolution, the evidence for the formation of the planets stand on it's own as an observable.
The god explanation is a hypothesis. I can test the hypothesis and when I do, I cannot find evidence in support of it.
So, whether or not your book claims to have predicted the big bang and evolution, your assertion that god is involved cannot be proven.
That's why it's called "faith"
I accept nothing on faith 1. But genesis got the order in which stuff showed up backwards. Suggesting the authors had no prior knowledge. Most creation stories start with a beginning - they have as much to back them up as genesis does. That is to say, nothing.
2. What happened to 2?
3. No, it's not. Because metal is not organic. If you can't see the difference here, why should I keep explaining it to you? You've got a lot to learn about biological evolution. Beginning with the simple fact that astronomy is NOT biological evolution. Scientists are still trying to figure out evolution. They've just found out that the very first animal on earth was quite complex. There are so many missing pieces and questions that believing in evolution does in fact require faith. Faith that everything evolved for the better in a totally undirected process. wrong section, should be in spirituality.
anyway, although i believe in God, i dont believe religion and science can ever contradict. if they do, the religion has a problem.
an atheist would say : God created the world. Who created God?
apart from that, research is going on for anti-matter, which is .. nothing.. It is said anti-matter can produce matter, meaning something can be formed from nothing, and it even follows the conservation of mass & energy. For one thing, you can't count. Hint - the number two comes after one.
Just because we have no explanation for what caused the Big Bang, it doesn't automatically or logically follow that "God did it". That's lazy thinking and doesn't help us understand our origins at all.
I think biochemists do know better. They'd tell you that the formation of amino acids is NOT a random event, and that it is subject to special conditions. I refer you to the Miller-Urey experiment.
A typical creationist who tries to convince us that credible scientists dispute evolution and support creationism. Hogwash, my friend. Research more deeply on evolution before you even begin to challenge science.
Evolution is a process more than a couple of billion years old. It is possible to generate organic material from simple, inorganic components. This is actually proven. Second, the development of DNA can be broken down into simpler steps. DNA was formed from RNA, RNA was formed from smaller chains. The smaller chains were formed from pieces of nucleotides, and so on. The sophisticated DNA that people understand today comes from eons of trial and error. So if you explode a billion cars every year for the next three billion years, you probably might get a resemblance of a car. Third of all, science to date is only so powerful. I'm sure in time, technology will help people to understand more about the creation of the universe. Things we have yet to discover does not by any means God is the answer. Study abiogenesis. I think you'll like it. you know lots of people have seemed to conviently forget the difference between fact as being as undeniable as the sun lights the earth, and theory as being something that people speculate.
problem is like the second person who so blatantly wrote, " I cannot accept anything by faith" , evolution is a way to dispose of God and the possiblity that 1 there is a higher power and 2 he may want something from you.
unfortunately for his ignorance evolution and the big bang is totally taken by faith and that alone.
1 you have to have faith that scientists know what they are talking about and aren't just blowing it out their ear.
2 you have to have faith that obviously something came from nothing which of course goes against their own laws which are observed, tried and true methods. that is FAITH!!!!! no matter how you get around it having some guy with a white lab coat on and a masters in physics telling you that while we have no clue about half the things that go on in our own planet,(90% of the oceans is still unexplored) somehow knows how and what the particles of a star or galaxy Billions of light years away, are made of and how it got there.
sure we are so advanced that we don't even understand why our own kind does the things it does but we know how it all happened without ever being there personally or even being able to physically study it.
my personal problem with all this is the fact is that we are being told that a few degrees of change in temperature is causing massive extinctions all around the world. now these scientist will also tell you that we are the product of millions of years of survival of the fittest and natural selection. if that is the case then why are all these animals so succeptable to only a few degrees in change??
if the common belief in the scientific community believe that a giant meteor hitting the ground caused the extinction of almost all life on earth with the exceptions of mammals, now those mammals must have been pretty hardy don't you think?
a giant meteor would have cause a thick toxic dust cloud to cover the earth for an unknown but extended period of time, causing plants and cold blooded animals to die from lack of sunlight and warmth.
if that is so and all animals that are here now are in direct relation to those, why are we concerned?? they survived a natural nuclear holocaust if you will, but a few degrees here and there will cause have the species on earth to die out? hmmm doesn't make sense
you know what elses doens't make sense? how did the ocean get here? now scientists will tell you that our ocean is a direct cause of meteors filled with water crashed down to earth and the subsequent water then pooled and created ocean.. well first we know that when something is pulled into the gravitational pull of the earth it falls to the ground at such a high rate of speed that the things that aren't completely burnt up are burnt and chrystalyzed into completely new forms of bonding on the molecular scale. now i don't know about you but that doesn't seem like the perfect atmosphere for a one celled organism which is one of the most fragile lifeforms we know of to survive that kind of impact.
ok ok so lets just say that somehow against ALL odds it does survive and land miraculously into a pool of water that rained down from the heavens it would not have been able to survive the environment!! last time i checked these scientists don't dispute that in the beginning our earth was a raging ball of fire and volcanic activity. the water would have been boiled away by such a suffocating atmosphere so there would have been none to begin with, or it would not have been able to survive the extremely toxic environment of sulfuric acids that would have leaked into the water creating a deadly cocktail that when thought about anyone with half a mind of their own would realize that no organism no matter how simple or complex could have survived
i don't know all the answers but i sure know that this ain't it!! Point 1 has nothing to do with the subject you've selected, and point 2 is conspicuous by its absence. Point 3 also has no obvious relevance to evolution, the subject you've selected.
What a collection of pointlessness! Congratulations. http://www.drdino.com/downloads.php
This is an absolutley wonderful website to go to for stuff like this. Just download the different movies. Dinosaurs and the Bible is my personal favorite.
Proof Evolution is a lie:
1. The slowing spin of the earth limits the earth's age
2. The 1/2 inch layer of cosmic dust on the moon indicates the moon has not been accumulating dust for billions of years
3. Jupiter's moon, Io, is losing matter to Jupiter. It cannot be billions of years old
4. The shrinking sun limits the earth-sun relationship to fewer than billions of years. The sun is losing both mass and diameter. Changing the mass would upset the fine gravitational balance that keeps the earth at just the right distance for life to survive
5. The oldest known historical records are less than 6,000 years old
6. The oldest living coral reef is less than 4,200 years old (Couldn't be 6,000 because The Flood would have destroyed it)
7. Biblical dates add up to about 6,000 years
8. The oceans are getting saltier. If they were billions of years old, they would be much saltier than they are now
9. The existance of short-period comets indicates the universe is less than billions of years old
10. At the rate many star clusters are expanding, they could not have been traveling for billions of years
http://www.evanwiggs.com/articles/reason...
This also is another good website. Agreed. And furthermore, scientists agree that the universe and everything in it is unstable, becoming disordered and winding down - the natural result of entropy, the second law of thermodynamics. If that's the case, why would living creatures be doing the opposite? Its true...I mean they make evolutions sound pretty plausible but so many mistakes have been found in their theories....plz....I came from a monkey?
I was taught that it takes like what thosuands if not million of years 2 adapt and all of a sardine we decided...stuff trees lets go hunting for meat and eat random vegetables????
Ahh all im saying is....if y ou think religion is stupid...look at evolution.
God is real...face it =D |
