seriously how?
It just doesn't work, unless you believe that big fat unsourced book that is at least 1500 years old, with parts dating 5000 years old.
Scientific discovery is based on questions, research, discovery, investigation, it always cites its sources, it always references work done by previous scientists. And to be honest with you, a source that is like 1500 years old can't be trusted as much one that is 5 years old.
Sorry bibleistas but the quran has you beat on this, at least muslims have aided science, a lot. Not one i have ever spoken to has said they believe in creationism, sure they believe that allah created the universe, but believe also in evolution as a true and elegant way to describe life on our planet. 1. There really is not very much solid information that 'supports' evolution, and each attempt at a critique of the theory is met with vicious verbal attack.
2. I believe in God. Fundamentally either a person believes that God Created the Earth as recorded in the Bible, or God does not exist. God leaves this as the option for mankind.
3. 4.6 billion years is just not enough time for the world to have evolved to the state it is in right now. Mathematically is beyond improbable (It is especially on this point that people totally ignore the argument and never reply with information or facts)
4. There is a growing groundswell of institutions, lawmakers, and citizens who support either Creationism, Intelligent Design, or the teaching of Evolutionary Criticism in the Public School system. If everything they believed were simply based upon a few passages in Genesis, they they would easily be thwarted. But there is a growing body of evidence AGAINST the Evolutionary theory. The pope believes in Evolution and discredited the book of Genisis too. YEE HAAA CHRISTIANITY!!! how can you believe in evolution? That's like asking kids "How can you believe in Santa Clause?" If it brings them happiness then why does it bother you so much? Because its the word of God. religion has nothing to do with it.. it's down to our own personal view..
you either believe in creationism or evolution..
we are all on this planet.. and have our own thoughts on the subject.
yes the religious books have parts mentioned in them either way.., but well you either believe in one thing or the other..
I always ask Jehovah witness's about dinosaurs .. that gets them off my doorstep =) My 4 problems with Evolution
The key problem I am having is the following can be boiled down into 4 points:
1. There really is not very much solid information that 'supports' evolution, and each attempt at a critique of the theory is met with vicious verbal attack.
2. I believe in God. Fundamentally either a person believes that God Created the Earth as recorded in the Bible, or God does not exist. God leaves this as the option for mankind.
3. 4.6 billion years is just not enough time for the world to have evolved to the state it is in right now. Mathematically is beyond improbable (It is especially on this point that people totally ignore the argument and never reply with information or facts)
4. There is a growing groundswell of institutions, lawmakers, and citizens who support either Creationism, Intelligent Design, or the teaching of Evolutionary Criticism in the Public School system. If everything they believed were simply based upon a few passages in Genesis, they they would easily be thwarted. But there is a growing body of evidence AGAINST the Evolutionary theory.
Frankly, as a Creationist I am tired of the same old replies and propaganda I recieve with every question. I am looking for someone to engage these ideas with honesty, courtesy, and comparing apples with apples. For instance math facts with math facts. God says shut up and so does Muhammed Cause I believe in God and the Bible can proves it in many ways. "And to be honest with you, a source that is like 1500 years old can't be trusted as much one that is 5 years old."
I'm sure glad most people with a reasonable amount of intellect don't believe this. I'm kind of curious... do you have any scientific proof against creationism? I've heard atheists and such ranting about how stupid creationism is, but I've never seen any evidence against it... To me, it seems that evolution is the hard thing to believe; there's plenty of scientific support out there saying that evolution is wrong, and there are people out there who really have disproved evolution; the only thing is, evolutionists don't really seem to accept proof against their theory... In order to "prove" a hypothesis or theory, you're supposed to look for evidence against it; you can never truly prove an observation, hypothesis, or theory, but you can always disprove it if it's false. Why aren't evolutionists willing to try and disprove their theory to "prove" it's true? You always see evolutionists looking for support for the theory, and never see them trying to disprove it. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
Gen 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Gen 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
Gen 4:2 And she again bore his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
Gen 4:3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
Gen 4:4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
Gen 4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Gen 4:9 And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
Gen 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Gen 4:11 And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
Gen 4:12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
Gen 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bore Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Gen 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begot Mehujael: and Mehujael begot Methusael: and Methusael begot Lamech.
Gen 4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
Gen 4:20 And Adah bore Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and of such as have cattle.
Gen 4:21 And his brother's name was Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ.
Gen 4:22 And Zillah, she also bore Tubal-cain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
Gen 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt.
Gen 4:24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bore a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. I support science, but you have to admit science hasn't given an 100% clear answer yet. oh right, a single cell chose to be something different then what it was. then a million years later had sex with another similar cell form to produce offspring that kept changing too.
Our faith is in what is only 5 to 6,000 years old, your faith is in millions and billions of years of cells choosing to be different. Science tries to understand what God has created.
Sorry to hear about how science goofed up on the mad cow's disease attempt to make cows carnivorous. Keep trying maybe it will work out in another million years. Just listen to these online free video lectures, Choose the subjects one by one and listen peacfully, I'm sure you will get all the answrs to your qustions, God bless!!
http://www.worldmuslimmedia.com/readisla... I dont. I find it hard to believe something that has so many questions which need answering. If it occurs in nature then science should be able to recreate the process. But they can't. They can't explain the biochemical process of a single cell organism coming together in nature.
Sure they can espouse all they want about genetic variation and change and that is great and all for the survival of the species but it begs the question of." How these complex systems got here in the first place?" You seem to forget that evolution has they same problem as other beliefs in regards to origins. NO PROOF. Time and time again archeology has verified the existence of places, people and events we once knew solely from biblical records. Whoever witnessed the "big bang" theory and the
happenings in the millions of years after, didn't keep any records. Evolutionists say all life evolved from a single cell of algae that washed up o the shore of some ancient pond, created by 25 million years of rain which melted the rocks. Darwin thought cells were just blobs of protoplasm. they did not have today's breakthrough knowledge of the intricate molecular biochemical machines performance of complex
functions such as vision, blood clotting, and digestion. these
are not evolutionary steps. This is huge leaps in dessign that are impossible by random process. Evolutionists ignore this.
Even scientists wanting to reject creation see the impossi-
bility of evolution. complexity of biochemical design is one
area that now seems impossible for evolutionist to surmount.
At the molecular level, random mutation would have had to have billions of favorable adaptations all in a specific way,
all at once.
There is no large scale fossilization occurring anywhere in
the world today. When a fish dies, it does not sink to the
bottom and become a fossil. It either decomposes or is
destroyed by scavengers. Further evidence of the fact that a
great and sudden cataclysm once struck the earth are the
millions of mammoths and other large animals that were
killed instantly in the north polar region (Siberia and Alaska).
They were quick frozen, preserved whole, with flesh and
hair intact. Dinosaurs were lizards, and lizards never stop
growing. They only got the name "dinosaur" 200 years ago.
The Bible calls them dragons. Less than 3500 years ago,
people knew about dinosaur's (dragons), but they knew
nothing about "evolution".
(I'll quit at that, but I know a lot more I could tell you). thats funny my dads a scienctist at a uni.he is also a deacon at our church.The bible is also based on questions research etc..
do you own a watch or cloak?if so whats inside?
its been delicately put together by a maker every bit has gradually been made piece by piece.it didnt just happen or suddenly appear did it?
yes evolution does occur but whats with a big bang?
for the big bang to occur shouldnt there have been gasses to produce it.
there is only one universe so if the big bang is true shouldnt there be other planets like ares?
oh just to add some sciencetists claim theres other universes.Where?Has anyone seen them?has it been discovered?is there any evidence to prove it?The answer is NO.
oh and ive heard a story from years ago that a maqn walked on the moon but i didnt see it happen and i wasnt there When you go to college - and if you study one of the applied sciences or engineering - you will learn something called the Scientofic Method.
Scientific Method for proving anything calls for three conditions to be met:
- Predictability
- Observability
and
- Repeatability
As a Creationist, I'll point you to any hospital, zoo, or anywhere else. My hypothesis is that when two of a species mate the offspring will be of the same species.
This hypothesis is predictable, it is observable, and it is repeatable.
Evolution says that when two of a species mate, there is an astronomical chance that the offspring will be of a different species. That occurence is unpredictable, it is unobservable, and unrepeatable. Evolution does not satisfy even one of these scientific method criteria, much less all three.
That is why it is called a THEORY - not a fact. In addition, it is a weak theory at best because, by its very nature, it cannot ever, ever, ever be proven.
For those of you that hate science and logic, please give me a "thumbs down". You are sort of making a general argument against religion to explain everyday events.
Which is completely true and valid, the Bible was used by the most ignorant to try to explain thunder or lack of rains in the past.
I'm glad the weak cover for teaching a Christian view "intelligent design" has been rejected in general. It has no proof, only proof against evolution.
Proof that evolution is flawed is not proving creationism exists. Why won't people get this.
And proving creationism doesn't prove a Christian God either. Thousands of religions have a creationist view, each with radically different ideals, beliefs, and systems. Are you actually asking how, or why, someone believes in creationism. For example: how I made this entry is dependent upon numerous physical factors, biochemical reactions and physiciological responses in my brain, nerves, eyes, arms, fingers, etc. The why is something else.
Just because you can not prove something, it does not make it untrue. Some ancient greeks believed that there were such things as atoms, but they had no way of proving it. Does that mean atoms did not exist then?
A true scientist knows that there are more questions than answers.
When you take in account all the science of today that flies airplanes, makes medicene, builds buildings, etc. It is logical to believe it supports a theory of evoluation. But there is always the question "what came before that?".
The Bible is not a scientific book. It will not tell you the specifics on how to build a bridge, or how to cure cancer or program a computer. It contains truth for those who have faith. A lot of intelligent people have believed in it.
You are free to believe or not to believe in either creationism or evolution. You may believe in both. There are people of high intellect and morals who are in each of these groups. One can believe in God and still believe in evolution. After all, was why God gave humans brains, so they could develop science, logic, mathematics etc. Bible is allegorical, should not be taken literally. THERE IS NO GOD!!!
CREATIONISM IS WRONG!!!
EVOLUTIONISM IS CORRECT!!!
ALL YOU JESUS FREAKS STOP UTTERING NONSENSE FROM YOUR BIBLE PASSAGES! Your logic is seriously naive. According to your logic you coud put a tennis shoe next to work boot and say one evolved from the other. Just because their are similarities in creation it doesn't follow that evolution is the answer.
The size of the universe and the scope of things is what evolutionist always fall back on. Throw big enough numbers at you and think that is an argument. Nonsense! This idea that if you explode things enough times it will form an incredibly complex universe with complex life forms interacting with each other and remaining stable from then on is UNSCIENTIFIC. If you took all the component parts of a lap-top computer and repeatedly blew them up would they ever form a computer? NO! And yet we are expected to accept that far more complex things came about by lucky accident. |
