Since I've been submitting my questions, I've done a lot of research into politics and social change in SA since I left.
The answers I get on this forum indicate this -
a) There has been a complete revolution in SA, and the Afrikaner minority is now paying for the sins of the fathers
There is an ethnic cleansing of boers happening, as over 1000 farmers and their families have been slaughtered on one end, and on the other, the ANC has brilliantly twisted Affirmative Action laws into a modern interpretation of the Nuremberg Laws, assuring that those who aren't killed, will starve
b) The younger generation - of whites and blacks alike - know only the propaganda fed them by the ANC, and so only know about the evils of apartheid, but not the habitable, safe, modern country SA was 15 years and more ago
Hillbrow used to be great
c) And because of the above, that generation does not realise the extent of the AIDS and chaos going on around them
Am I wrong?
If so, say why. Cheerio old chap! You are suspended. To some degree what you have written is true. The crime rate in South Africa has gone up. Plenty of white people have sold their farms in South Africa. There has been more murders since apartheid been removed. But the worst case of AIDS is in Swaziland. King: Mswati III and his government has not address the issue of the AIDS crisis there. Well the fact is that you have not done any research on 9/11. I would love to debate you. You are a moron! Go do the research. Amen,
Need I say more? Yes, I can agree with you on that. I am south african and I was born during the apartheid. My grandfather and father went to war and they are believers of apartheid. I am not racist and I dont believe that people should be called 'superior' to any other race. Although this is very good for people of my generation to believe in, we still suffer the consequences for what apartheid has done to this country.
To be honest, I dont blame the ANC for reclaiming what they never had, although it is unfair towards the younger white generation, as we were born when this happened and are completely innocent and had nothing to do with the decisions made.
Nowadays, for the white race in SA, it is hard to find a job, because everything is affirmative action or black employment equity.The younger generation knows what apartheid has done and we know the evils around it. We are in schools with the black people and we are all equal. The younger black and white generations is not racists. The younger generation understands that these people who suffered so horribly in apartheid had no education, no proper jobs to feed their families, no proper homes,the list is endless - the crime in this country is mainly caused by poverty and when the 'boers' implemented the apartheid, they should've of thought about the consequences to follow, obviously there will be crime, when these people get paid minimum wages or less and no opportunities.
I dont believe in apartheid and I think it was a huge downfall for this country when they implemented the apartheid.Although this does not justify all the innocent people suffering from it. It's almost as if the two races play tit for tat, always trying to better the other and always trying to seek revenge. This I think will bring this country down, hopefully the younger generations can make peace with the past and live in harmony. Ya, you're right South Africa was a "habitable, safe, modern country 15 years ago"??? For whom???? You white male? You ignorant so-and-so.
This was apartheid and South Africa for everyone who wasn't white:
"Apartheid (literally "apartness" in Afrikaans and Dutch) was a system of racial segregation that was enforced in South Africa from 1948 to 1994. Under apartheid, people were legally classified into a racial groups - the main ones being White, Black, Indian and Coloured - and were geographically, and forcibly, separated from each other on the basis of the legal classification. The Black majority, in particular, legally became citizens of particular "homelands" that were nominally sovereign nations but operated more akin to United States "Indian Reservations" and Australian "Aboriginal Reserves." In reality, a majority of Black South Africans had never resided in these "homelands."
In practice, this prevented non-white people 鈥?even if actually resident in white South Africa 鈥?from having a vote or influence, restricting their rights to faraway homelands which they may never have visited. Education, medical care, and other public services were sometimes claimed to be separate but equal, but those available to non-white people were in fact vastly inferior.
Apartheid was implemented by the law. The following restrictions were not only social but were strictly enforced by law (the Reservation of Separate Amenities Act specifically allowed government to provide different levels of amenities for the different races):
* Non-whites were not allowed to run businesses or professional practices in those areas designated as 'white South Africa' without a permit. They were supposed to move to the black homelands and set up businesses and practices there.
* Transport and civil facilities were segregated.
* Blacks were excluded from living or working in white areas, unless they had a pass - nicknamed the 'dompas' ('stupid pass' in Afrikaans). Only blacks with "Section 10" rights (those who had migrated to the cities before World War II) were excluded from this provision.
* A pass was only issued to a black person with approved work. Spouses and children had to be left behind in non-white areas. Many white households employed blacks as domestic workers, who were allowed to live on the premises鈥?often in small rooms external to the family home.
* A pass was issued for one magisterial district confining the holder to that area only.
* Being without a valid pass made a person subject to immediate arrest and summary trial, often followed by deportation to the person's homeland. Police vans patrolled the "white" areas to round up the "illegal" blacks. In practice this was sporadic because of the vast number of blacks resident in tiny "boyslines" or staff quarters at white properties.
* Black areas rarely had plumbing or electricity.
* Hospitals and ambulances were segregated: the white hospitals were generally of a very good standard with well-educated staff and ample funds, while black hospitals were understaffed and underfunded.
* In the 1970s each black child's education cost the state only a tenth of each white child's. The Bantu Education Act specifically aimed to teach blacks only the basic skills they would need in working for whites. Higher education was provided in separate universities and colleges after 1959.
* Trains and buses were segregated. Black buses, known as "green" buses because they had a green marker on the front windscreen, stopped at black bus stops and white buses at white ones.
* Public beaches were racially segregated, with the best ones reserved for whites.
* Public swimming pools and libraries were also segregated. There were few black pools or libraries.
* Sex and marriage between the races was prohibited.
* A white driver was not allowed to have a black in the front of the car if that person was of a different sex.
* Cinemas in white areas were not allowed to admit blacks.
* Most restaurants and hotels in white areas were not allowed to admit blacks, unless the government had given prior permission.
* Black Africans were prohibited from attending "white" churches under the Churches Native Laws Amendment Act (1957). This was never rigidly enforced, and churches were one of the few places races could mix without the interference of the law.
* Although trade unions for black and "coloured" (mixed race) workers had existed since the early 20th century, it was not until the 1980s reforms that trade unions for black workers were recognized by the government.
* The minimum yearly taxable income for blacks was 360 Rand (30 Rand a month), while the white threshold was much higher, at 750 Rand (62.5 Rand per month).
Apartheid pervaded South African culture, as well as the law. The perception of non-white South Africans as second-class citizens was reinforced in many media, and the lack of opportunities for the races to mix in a social setting entrenched social distance between people.
* Ambulances, bridges, drive-in cinema parking spaces, graveyards, maternity wards, parks, pedestrian crossings, public toilets, taxis and theatres were also segregated.
* During the 1960s, 1970s and early 1980s, the government implemented a policy of 'resettlement', to force people to move to their designated 'group areas'. Some argue that over three and a half million people were forced to resettle during this period. The victims of these removals included:
鈥abour tenants on white-owned farms
鈥he inhabitants of the so-called 'black spots', areas of African-owned land surrounded by white farms
鈥he families of workers living in townships close to the homelands
鈥?#039;Surplus people' from urban areas, including thousands of people from the Western Cape (which was declared a 'Coloured Labour Preference Area') who were moved to the Transkei and Ciskei homelands.
The best-publicized forced removals of the 1950s occurred in Johannesburg, when 60,000 people were moved to the new township of Soweto (an acronym for South Western Townships).
Until 1955, Sophiatown had been one of the few urban areas where blacks were allowed to own land, and was slowly developing into an entirely multiracial settlement. As industry in Johannesburg grew, Sophiatown became the home of a rapidly expanding black workforce, as it was convenient and close to town. It could also boast the only swimming pool for Black children in Johannesburg. It was however one of the oldest black settlements in Johannesburg, and held an almost symbolic importance for the 50,000 blacks it contained, both in terms of its sheer vibrancy and its unique culture. Despite a vigorous ANC protest campaign and worldwide publicity, the removal of Sophiatown began on 9 February 1955 under the Western Areas Removal Scheme. In the early hours, heavily armed police entered Sophiatown to force residents out of their homes and load their belongings onto government trucks. The residents were taken to a large tract of land, thirteen miles from the city centre, known as Meadowlands (now part of Soweto), that the government had purchased in 1953. Sophiatown was destroyed by bulldozers, and a new white suburb named Triomf (Triumph) was built in its place. This pattern of forced removal and destruction was to repeat itself over the next few years, and was not limited to people of African descent. Forced removals from areas like Cato Manor (Mkhumbane) in Durban, and District Six in Cape Town, where 55,000 coloured and Indian people were forced to move to new townships on the Cape Flats, were carried out under the Group Areas Act of 1950. "
We as whites should be grateful for Madiba who decided to forgive and forget instead of running us out of this country. If it was not for him and FW de Klerk this country would have been a blood bath...
You said it: you do research in this forum - you are stupid - proper research requires actually picking up a book and READING and understanding and using one's brains. But then of course yours is non-existent and clogged up in your white pride.
Voertsek!!! Oh Brad Morris, How long have you been away. What a load of hogwash. Apartheid has been gone for only 10 -11 years and I would say that the progress that has been made in SA has been excellent. Thank heavens we 'DONT" have to learn the afrikaans language which I detest anyway. Had I been given the choice I would have chosen Xhosa instead.
Maybe one thing that does annoy me is the affirmative action, which has gone from one extreme to the other. BEE comes into this as well. Our heritage sites all being renamed as though we didnt exist and dont have a say.
I am glad that apartheid has gone, but I would say that everybody is being educated fairly and EVERYBODY is being educated on HIV and the rest.
Hillbrow was great. I stayed there for 8 years, only because the blacks were not allowed into certain areas. They are after all only people as well, just different skin colour. We have a suburbs which we didnt have then, so why would we want to go back into Hillbrow.
Life changes, circumstance change, and maybe you should think about going along with that. WAKE UP. Its 2006 not 1986. I could try and tell you where you are wrong, but a comprehensive answer would take 6 pages. Very little you say is a true reflection.
a) I am a white afrikaner male and have lived in pre- and post apartheid south africa. I am not a supporter of the ANC, but the statements re ethnic cleansing, starvation and slaughter is false. (It is however a VERY sad truth that many white farmers have been killed).
b) The government does have a strong publicity arm like any government, BUT NEVER BEFORE was it so easy to access differing opinuion. We have full access to news and opinions and all forms from all over the world. Totally unrestricted.
c) Our governments repsonse to AIDS is shocking and criminal. I am considered to be fairly well informed and have not seen ANY signs of chaos. ag please just get a life You are so annoying!!!!!!! YAWN!
Brad please. You don't live in SA anymore, and unless you're planning to return, why are you on here, arguing with anyone who disagrees with you anyways.
I don't see what you get out of any of this (except maybe a rush of blood to a certain member of you're anatomy)
Please explain to me, since you do not consider yourself South African anymore (I believe you said "wild horses cant drag me back") why do you keep filling Yahoo Answers with you're negativity? Even though some of the points you bring up are true, whats the point? Apartheid isn't gonna come back, because one silly white man bitches and sobs like a a little girl with a skinned knee.
What are you trying to prove?
That South Africa is f**ked up? Fine, you made you're point, now what? Why can't you just let go of the past. I already told you, you've got no right to even mention the words SOUTH AFRICA. Where have you been the past few elections? Did you bring out a vote, making your mark as a South African? NO!!!!
What gives you the right to say anything about this country, just because you stay in the country who sticks its nose in everybody else鈥檚 business, doesn't mean that you now owns the right doing it.
This is the present, where yes, people get murdered, babies get raped, and farmers slaughtered. But then again, we don't send innocent soldiers to a country that is not ours, killing, raping, shooting and ransacking the place?
Have you ever try and get something positive about this country? Remember most international news is negative bloody news, cause why: ANY NEWS IS GOOD NEWS (You are in the entertainment world, surely you must have heard it before)
In America, racism is still a big crisis. At least we try to sort it out. Of course we've got racial issues, but then again (and catch a wake-up please) so does America.
So this all rose and sunshine country you're staying in, is SO not better than South Africa. (At least we don't get bombed for sticking our noses into other people's business (11/09???)).
And yes, there has been a revolution in this country, and if you were here, you would know, that it was time. And yes, I AM WHITE, and no, (and sorry for all the readers, but I know what some people say about people like me), I am not a K******lover! I have respect for every color in this country. As a Christian it is expected of me, and it is my choice. So brace yourself, because I say VIVA REVOLUTION!
And regarding AIDS!!!!! America has got that too!!! Wake up and smell the AIDS AROUND YOU!!! (You yourself said that many lunatics slept with you, are you sure you're HIV Negative?)
So I ask you, is America really better than South Africa?????? It is worse than you think Yeah maybe your right, but in my opinion...
Hey brad...
Get a girlfiend!!!
hahahahahahah...HA! I live in South Africa,i'm a law student...the country has change...yes there are problems but we are a young democracy..so change is slow...but there are improvements....and the crisis of Aids,many people are uneducated on the disease |
