Do creationists ever stop to consider that their anti-science beliefs are detrimental to mankind?
"But an understanding of evolution doesn't lead to anything that could benefit mankind!" The Creationist will say.
That would be like saying, after mankind discovered electricity, "We shouldn't study electricity, it won't lead to anything." But electricity did lead to things, it led to computers, refrigeration, better medical equipment, better home heating. IT SAVED BILLIONS OF LIVES; people who would have died from starvation, or lack of heat, or one of a million other things.
When a Creationist actually takes the time to study evolution and biology (biology being a study which would collapse if Evolution were false, but of course it is not) then they would realize that within the not to distant future, an understanding of evolution will lead to the eradication of disease, and it will allow us to grow new hearts, and limbs, and organs, for the suffering and downtrodden through a complete understanding of DNA. One day we will be able to write DNA, like a programmer writes computer code; but not if we don't understand how DNA evolved, and continues to evolve to this day.
Those two examples are just givens, they WILL happen, once we completely master evolutionary study, and with it all of biology. Who knows what else we will accomplish for mankind. like I said, who knew that electricity, that blue, fleeting, painful substance, would one day lead to defibrillators and artificial hearts.
Let me give you an example of how evolutionary study will eradicate disease. To eradicate AIDS it will require an understanding of how the virus mutates; the virus mutates a full 1% of its DNA every year. Of course, mutate is just another word for darwinian evolution. There is no difference between the two. Viruses mutate according to natural selection. Not only will it require an understanding of how AIDS evolves, but also how it evolved. We can reverse engineer the virus using markers in its DNA. Viruses leave DNA markers every generation, like the rings on a tree. We can follow these markers back millions, if not billions of years, to figure out when it evolved its most potent characteristics. But of course, if we believe that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, then what good would it be to reverse engineer a virus back a billion years to when it was harmless?
What else could we do with a complete understanding of DNA? We could program drug addiction out of the human race. We could literally make it so that drugs do not give people a buzz, and therefore drug addiction becomes a thing of the past.
What sickens me most of all, is that when science does find these cures, the creationist will be the first in line to benefit. Count on it. Just like how they benefit now from our understanding of a round, rather than flat earth. Just like they benefit from the latest neuroscience that examines the human mind as a physical entity, rather than an intangible soul. Just like how they benefit from oil that was discovered with an experts knowledge of the location of ancient bogs and lake beds a billion years into the past.
I wonder if every time a creationists fills his or her car she takes the time to acknoledge that the gas was found only because an expert out there studied what the earth looked like, not 6,000, but 1 billion years ago, and earlier.
I could go on with my thoughts on creationists, but believe me, it would not pass the Yahoo decency test. Chris: Thank you for your post. That is all fine, but you people really need to understand that scientists study evolution, and biology, and "old Earth theory" because they want to SAVE LIVES here on this planet, in this life! Not in the next one. WOW. Where do I even start with you.
What you have missed out on is a complete lack of uderstanding the difference between the existance of a fossil record, and the theory of evolution. A fact is a fact. A fact plus a theory does not equal a fact.
Fact fossils exist. You have taken a possible theory that explains some (not all) of the facts and then assumed that this theory must then be fact also. There are many other theories that also adequately explain these facts.
Your theory on DNA is correct (for the most part). but what you havent concidered is that there is a dractic difference between something mutating and changing, and becoming something completely different all together. No Christain is going to argue against the fact that DNA makes some things different. Take huamans for instance. While we do undergo shanges in height, build, and apperance, we do not mutate into non-human. When you breed a monkey and a monkey even if they are of different species you are still going to get a monkey. Now you may have bred a new species of monkey it is still a monkey non-the-less. It remains to this day, as far as everything I have read, studied,and seen, that mutations are always detramental to the deformed animal, while breeding has the ability to create a stronger species or breed of that same animal.
Please do not come to to the table thinking that you posess a greater intelect than Christians. It is people like you that just assume we know nothing and were raised in the stone age. There are many Christians who hold multiple phd's in biology and physics. This only shows that you do not understand at all what you are talking about.
Next time before you form an opionion of a group of people do the research. I will gladly give you an answer that explains each and every thing that you have mentioned but I just dont have the time tonight.
Just to add one point that covers generally everything you ranted about, What you have failed to even consider is that this God we Christians worship is not stupid. He created everything in working order. That means that he created this Earth and universe in an already advanced state. So while you look and see things you think are a billion years old, I say that they were created a couple thousand years ago, but to us may look like they are billions of years old because they were made already advanced. They would have to be that way, along with many things in the universe, in order to create an environment that would support biological life.
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And there you go again with this theory you have that Evolution is fact. It is not. It is a theory to try and explain some facts. But it has some gaping holes.
What you are describing as fact is interbreeding and specization. Please get your terms correct.
What scientists are studing is not evolution. It is how organisms change through interbreeding and specization. We are not doubting that they are trying to save lives. Please keep up the study. Maybe we can one day understand all of the ins and outs and come up with a way to help cure disease. That would be tremendous. I'm not a fundi. I believe that science and God co-exist..wrought from the same hand sorta speak. I know alot of Christians and Atheist disagree with this, but this is my belief because, to me both make sense.
Just my 2cents.
peace. You are correct. Inhibiting the development of biological sciences will ultimately detract from the potential benefits resulting from same. billions and billions long ago and far away fairy tales!!! Thanks for sharing. because the human race is scum. Sometimes we just feel like we need to get it out, huh? I'm sorry but you are scientifically uninformed. It is called the THEORY
of evolution because it has not, can not be proven, Because it is full of holes. You make it sound like only evolutionist believe in science but if you did your research many of the discovery's you tout were found by Christan scientists! The Bible told us the earth was round and suspended in the space long before scientists figured it out. The truth is science and the Bible are always in harmony, if it is true science not assumptions based on an evolutionary view. I suggest if your mind is as open as you no doubt believe it to be you read The case for creation by Lee Stroble You know, I am not trying to be antagonistic or anything, but this is silly.
I am a fundamentalist, in that fundamentalism means a return to scriptural belief and teaching. The basis of scriptural teaching is love. Love of yourself, your brother, your saviour, your God. I know there are many whom claim to be whatever they choose to claim, but that is not what shapes the definition or the true adherents.
I do not teach hate, I teach AGAINST hate. The law everyone rebels against is about:
1. Love God with all your heart (first 5 commandments)
2. Love your neighbor as yourself (last 5).
Where did this "Fundies hate everybody" garbage even come from? Fundamentalists' by definition cannot profess hate and be fundamentalist.
If atheism were judged by the scientific accuracy shown here at Q&A, would you want the title?
Concerning everything being cut in some sort of obvious stone, then athiestic darwinist scientists would never convert to religion... which they have done and still continue to occasionally do. Biologists included.
I was hard into physics. Do you wish to know a simple problem that is not so simple? Chaos... This universe, no matter which part you care to look at demonstrates definable if not actually defined order in EVERY instance of any system. So much of science is based upon OUR ability to perceive or measure, and what we can perceive or measure constantly changes. Too much of theoretical physics (the theory mill of physics) is based upon philosophy.
What is confusing to me is Christians thinking that they may somehow prove god through the creation to those whom refuse to believe when he has promised this impossible.
What is equally confusing in the scientific aspect is people thinking they can disprove Gods existence when they have no proof that he is physically in any manner dependent upon or measurably connected to the creation.
Scripture says that a day is as a thousand year, and a thousand years as a day to God. Time is meaningless to him. Scripture states also that he has reserved time and the seasons unto himself, which means he controls them. Now, SCIENCE teaches that time as a rate change change (compress or expand)..... He could then compress 10 quadrillion years into one day, now couldn't he. The basis for the age of the universe for proof just went poof. Changing of species over time just went poof.
Alot of statements coming from all sides, not enough PROOF from any.
This argument is now, and will remain what it has always been. A personal statement of individual belief. There is no PROOF either way, for either side.
Hardcore darwinist biologists have converted to religion not because of the words of others, but because of what they have personally found in their work through biology. They found something that proved to THEM that what they viewed had to be created. Scientists from every genre, the same thing. You would not believe how many creationist SCIENTISTS there are, and it is a growing situation.
Yet, people whom have but a passing casual understanding or background into this or that science, and a bias for this or that reason, are ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN of what they believe, and that they just know the truth...
Faith is belief by definition. As used by religions it is generally belief without absolute proof. Amazing, by definition, how many claiming athiests voice there own religious faith.... by the same definition.
I have tended to notice they react with the same exact religious zeal as well, trying to SAVE others from their own ideas. CONDEMNING them as stupid etc.. ATTACKING unprovoked, with no better reason than to defend their faith. Quoting their quote unquote PROPHETS as if they were all knowing gods........ Sounds just like the worst from any other religion out there.
Paul Andrulis They kept failing science class in high school so instead of just accepting the fact that they were just dumb, they decided to deny science all together. Forget the fact that science gave us airplanes, television, space shuttles, computers, etc etc. Since they dont understand it, they just declare it evil and an abomination. Oh and another reason why fundies hate the human race is because they never got laid in high school so they are still very bitter about that. I wish you could've made that shorter, but just by going from the title (working fast so nobody steals my ideas before me), they do it because they believe they're helping people, they've been brainwashed to believe that, and they believe the exact opposite where scientists have been brainwashed.
This is one of those situations where good and evil are only a point of view, you would think anyway... BUT if you use my belief that good is the prosperity of life and evil is the extinguishment of it, then fundamentalists are evil. Fundamentalists literally believe that the Bible is God's Holy Word. They believe every word is true. The do not worship the Bible. They worship God, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as revealed in the Word of God. Christian Fundamentalism has nothing to do with hating people.
Why did you ask a question about Fundamentalists hating people and then write nothing except creationism? The two topics don't fit.
Religious fundamentalism is seen as a powerful source of US policy aberrations. Christian fundamentalism is the quite correct perception that American society is in deep trouble. It is a consequence, not a cause, of that trouble. Rather than worrying about how to counter Christian fundamentalists, we should worry about how to deal with the trouble in the first place. I agree with Judah's Child.... God and Science can and do co-exist.... Who do you think most of the scientists were way way way back long time ago. It wasn't the royalty or the peasants, it was the monks and priests... Does Copernicus sound familiar??? He should, and yes he was a monk........ Christian Fundamentalist is a complete contradiction in terms!!
CHRISTIAN 鈥?A follower or believer in Jesus.
FUNDAMENTALIST One who believes the Bible is literally true and must be followed exactly.
Therefore they are followers of the bible and not Jesus making them non Christians!!!
But worse is to follow it also makes them ideologists.
IDEOLOGY An idea that is false or held for the wrong reasons but is believed with such conviction as to be irrefutable.
So Christians have a loving and forgiving god and fundamentalist - well - Just are not Christians!!!!
Ever noticed they are always on about 2012, Armageddon etc? They are no so much wanting to see their lord - it is more about their desire to see the mass slaughter of those that disagree with them!! feel sorry for you... doubt might have disillusionised clarity over concious and truth... yet when time revealed itself be very very clear that it won't repeat itself...
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