How come when it comes to Science religious people can trust everything science has to offer...DNA testing for families, cancer research, Aids research, Vaccines, Meteorology, Cures for disease that Science has developed over the last hundred years, Flight,Gravity,the earth revolving around the sun, The moon cycles, Computers, Radar, Underwater Research, water purification,the list goes on and on...yet when Science says evolution is fact you act like Science is lying to you and they are just making it up to prove you wrong. I mean don't you realize that this has happend before? ex.Research Galileo, I am not trying to be mean but how come when it really comes down to it I can 100 % prove evolution. Yet you guys read one Biased Evangelical website written by a pastor saying evolution is wrong and you take it as Gospel? Also for people who believe in God and evolution..why don't you talk some sense into your fellow believer?
If it wasn't for Science mankind would have died out long ago. One more thing to the people who reference people like Newton and Kepler...their field of Science wasn't evolution was it? That's a good question, and you stated it more strongly than I have seen before. But I doubt it will change any minds. Earl D might be an extreme example. But even xnpilot111 shows the kind of wacky attitude that people have towards science. Quantum physics is completely accepted by all serious physicists, and has been for quite some time. Heck, Nobel prizes for work in Quantum Mechanics were given out in the 30s!
Anyway, many people want to discredit science for their own reasons. Perhaps is it their religious beliefs, or perhaps they just hope that science is wrong so that we might someday discover that there really are ways to do "magic". It's too bad, because the things we are now able to do with science would seem like magic to people living just a few hundred years ago. agreed.
(im an atheist though... so...yea.) Well said. Evolution is the modern day Galileo. They will learn in a few hundred years. Because not every religious person is a brainwashed Evangelical Christian.. I agree there is no doubt evolution has occured, I'm just not sure if we evolved originally from bacteria. That's a good point you make. I believe in God.....but I don't think I'm on good terms with the other church-goers (since I don't go to church and disagree with pretty much every thing they say.) I'll give it a try, but if everyone else has been so unsuccessful, I doubt I'll do much better. Most real science confirms the Bible. See here: http://everystudent.com/forum/science.ht...
More resources: Creation Resource Foundation: www.creationresource.org
Great scientists like Johannes KEPLER saw God's magnificance and constantly gave praise to God Almighty for his wonderful laws built into nature. He was a creationist.
So was Isaac NEWTON.......and he wrote 1 million words about his LITERAL belief in the Scripture. He was a creationist.
" I have a fundamental belief in the Word of God....I study the Bible daily". - Isaac Newton
The electromagnetic equations of James Clerk Maxwell attest to the Magnificant mathematical inginuity of the Creator.
He was a Creationist.
Its only the ignorant who can't figure it out. If it wasn't for God, there wouldn't be science. Truth from my world.
I'm a Christian and I have never heard such a nutty debate until coming to Yahoo R/S. Most Christians that I know believe that God created. That does not mean evolution is just tossed out the window. The Bible is not a science book. Maybe I come from a less fundamental/evangelical group of believers...? There are idiots that still argue the Earth is flat for the same reason, so don't expect them to get over it for a while. Listen dude- many scientist don't believe or trust everything science has to offer.
You can not prove evolution-you are dreaming. There is not a single fact behind it-only speculation. If there were facts proving evolution-the debate would be over. There are just too many scientist who can not accept this theory. There is no proof.
If you could prove evolution-you would be the wealthiest man on earth. First not all religions buy into all science. The Amish want nothing to do with it. Christian Scientists try not to use doctors.
And Evolution the way YOU think of it is not a fact OR you should be proud of YOUR APE HERITAGE and maybe put a picture of one up. I mean YOU ARE ADMITTING YOU ARE A LOWER ANIMAL.
YOu HAVE to be lower, APES don't make war.
I don't view my Grandaddy as an Ape. I beleive I came from far better stock than that.
Oh how come Apes stopped making humans?
Where did all the Mass of the Universe come from?
How come Science can't create life out of inorganic chemicals but it happens randomly in nature. Maybe science isn't as good as it thinks it is... You need to start reading about Quantum Physics. Turns out that physicists have lost touch with reality. and QM has turned science on it's head.
Truth is like light. Never phased by darkness... physical, metaphysical, or mental.
And God loves you, too. Fair question. I admit for me the verdict is still out on this one. However, from what I understand so far, this theory of evolution just doesn't make any sense to me. Very good! Hope to see some thoughtful answers from the devout who frequent this site.
As far expecting those who believe in both God and evolution to be able to 'talk sense' into those with fundamentalist attitudes--I'm betting that as far as those fundamentalists are concerned, belief in evolution is sacrilegious, and calls into question the purity of their faith. Hi honey! I found you! I'm done with karate where are you? Correction: Evolution is a theory, which by definition means that it has not been proven. It may be true, but how can we prove it with empirical fact? We can verify the age of fossils by carbon dating, but we cannot observe the mutations of genes over millions of years. Maybe that is why the mystery of life belongs to God. He is the only one who could observe evolution, since time is of no consequence to Him.
Believing in evolution requires the same amount of FAITH it takes to believe God created the earth. I also do not believe religion and science are mutually exclusive. No where does it say HOW God created the earth, nor does it say what 7 days mean to God. We already know that His time is not the same as ours.
I think people like to stir up controversy between science and religion to attract radical believers and non-believers to their respective circles.
So, in conclusion, Christians don't believe in evolution because they take the Bible at its literal word. I am a Christian and believe in science. Western thought today is in the midst of a raging battle between religion and science. It is almost impossible for a western thinker today to accept the fact that there may be a meeting ground between religion and science. The Bible, in which the Christians believe, states that the tree from which the Prophet Adam (peace be upon him) was forbidden to eat was the tree of knowledge. Thus, after he ate from it, he gained certain knowledge that he had not had before. For this reason, Europe spent two centuries arguing whether or not to accept scientific knowledge coming from Muslims.
The Church ruled that the pursuit of such scientific knowledge was the cause for the original sin. The bishops drew their evidence from the Old Testament, where it is mentioned that when Adam ate of the tree and gained some knowledge, Allah was displeased with him and denied him mercy. Scientific knowledge was therefore rejected entirely by the Church as a taboo.
Finally, when the free thinkers and scientists of the West were able to overcome the power of the Church, they took revenge by going in the opposite direction and suppressing any power of the religion. They went to all possible extremes in order to overcome the power of the Church and reduce its influence into a narrow and a confined corner.
Therefore, if you discuss the issue of religion and science with a westerner, he readily goes into sheer wonderment. They do not know Islam. They do not know that Islam accords a very high status to knowledge and men of knowledge, regarding them as witnesses, after the angels, to the fact that there is no god worthy of worship in truth but Allah, as Allah Himself has told us in the Qur'aan:
There is no Allah but He: That is the witness of Allah, His angels and those endued with knowledge. (Qur'aan 3:18)
And Allah, may He be exalted and Glorified has also told us:
Know, therefore, that there is no true deity but Allah. (Qur'aan 47:19)
It is known from the Qur'aan that Adam (peace be upon him) was favored over the angels by virtue of the knowledge given to him by Allah. The Qur'aanic story contradicts that of the Bible which Muslims hold to have been distorted. According to the Qur'aan, the fact that Adam was given knowledge is a mark of honor, and not the cause of his expulsion from Paradise. Hence, if one discusses Islam and science with Western thinkers, they tend to expect an argument similar to what they have in their own religious and cultural context. That is why they react with surprise when they are presented with the crystal clear facts of the Qur'aan and Sunnah.
Among those who were taken by surprise is Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, and Professor of Molecular and Human Genetics at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston. When we first met him, Professor Simpson insisted on verifying the Qur'aan and the Sunnah. We were able, however, to remove his suspicion. We presented to him the text outlining the development of the embryo. We proved to him that the Qur'aan informs us that the hereditary and the chromosomal make-up of the new being take place only after a successful union between the sperm and the ovum. As we know, these chromosomes contain all the characteristics which the new human being will have such as the color of the eyes, skin, hair, etc.
Hence, many of the details in the human beings make-up are determined in his chromosomes. These chromosomes begin to form during the early nutfah stage of embryonic development. In other words, the distinguishing features of the new human being are determined from the very beginning at the nutfah stage. Allah, the Most Exalted, the Most Glorified, has stated this fact in the Qur'aan:
Woe to man! What has made him reject Allah? From what stuff has He created him? From a sperm-drop: He has created him, and then molded him in due proportion. (Qur'aan 80:17-19)
During the first 40 days of gestation, all the body parts and organs are completely, though consecutively formed. We can notice in Figure 2.1 that the organs begin to be formed, assembled, and the fetus appears twisted. The Prophet Muhammad, (peace be upon him), has informed us in a hadeeth that: In every one of you, all components of your creation are gathered together in your mothers womb by 40 days. (Narrated in Saheeh Muslim and Al-Bukhaari).
Fig. 2.1
In another Hadeeth, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: When forty-two nights have passed over the drop (nutfah), Allah sends an angel to it, who shapes it and makes its ears, eyes, skin, flesh and bones. Then he says, O Lord, is it male or female? and your Lord decides what he wishes. (Muslim).
Professor Simpson studied these two hadeeths extensively, noting that the first 40 days constitute a clearly distinguishable stage of embryo genesis. He was particularly impressed by the absolute precision and accuracy of those hadeeths. Then during one of the conferences which he attended he gave the following opinion: "So that the two hadeeths that have been noted can provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before 40 days. Again, the point had been made repeatedly by other speakers this morning that these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of their recording."
Professor Simpson says that religion can successfully guide the pursuit of knowledge. The West, as we said, has rejected this. Here is an American scientist who says that religion, namely Islam, can achieve this with success. By analogy, if you go to a factory and have with you the operation manual of the factory, then you will be able to easily understand the kind of operation that goes on in that factory, thanks to that manual by the factory designer and builder. If you do not have this manual with you, chances are much less that you will have good understanding of the various processes there.
Professor Simpson said: "It follows, I think, that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion, but in fact religion can guide science by adding revelation to some traditional scientific approaches. That there exist statements in the Qur'aan shown by science to be valid, which supports knowledge in the Qur'aan having been derived from Allah."
This is true. Certainly, the Muslims can lead the way in the pursuit of knowledge and that they can accord knowledge in its proper status. Moreover, Muslims know how to use knowledge as a proof of the existence of Allah, May Allah be Exalted and Glorified, and to affirm the Messenger ship of Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Allah said in the Qur'aan:
Soon will we show them our signs in the (furthest) regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the truth. Is it not enough that thy Lord does witness all things? (Qur'aan 41:53).
After having realized through examples of scientific miracles in the Qur'aan as well as knowing the related comments of the objective scientists on them, let us ask ourselves these questions:
Could it be a coincidence that all this recently discovered scientific information from different fields was mentioned in the Qur'aan which was revealed 14 centuries ago?
Could this Qur'aan have been authored by Muhammad (peace be upon him) or by any other human being?
The only possible answer to that is that the Qur'aan must be the literal word of God (Allah) revealed by Him. The Qur'aan is the literal word of Allah which He revealed to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) through the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel). It was memorized by Muhammad (peace be upon him) who then dictated it to his companions. They in turn memorized it, wrote it down, and reviewed it with the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Moreover, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) reviewed the Qur'aan with the Angel Jibreel once every Ramadhan (the month of fasting) and twice in the last year of his life in the same Islamic calendar. Since the Qur'aan was revealed, up until today, there has always been a huge number of Muslims who have memorized all of the Qur'aan, letter by letter. Some of them have been able to memorize all of the Qur'aan by the age of ten. Thus, it is not surprising to note that not one letter of the Qur'aan has been changed for centuries up to now.
The Qur'aan which was revealed 14 centuries ago mentioned facts that are only recently discovered by proven scientists. This proves without doubt that the Qur'aan must be the literal word of Allah, revealed by Him to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and it also proves that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is truly a Messenger and Prophet sent by Allah. It is beyond reason that anyone fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven very recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated methods. first off a bunch of the things you listed science did not develop they discovered it - gravity, the sun....
second since you said it yourself science has become a major factor in our lives in only the last 100 years or so - what was keeping mankind going all those years before we became so technologically advanced - i think if we had to we could survive fine without all those advances, it would be a very different type of lifestyle but we would make it
yup Galileo was right but what if we made a list of all the scientists who had a theory and were pr oven wrong years later - that list would go on for days
as far as 100% proof of evolution that is one person taking a set of data and making an argument another scientist can look at the same data and make another argument - this happens everyday even about simple things, I know b/c this is my job - 4 high level MD Phds look at the same data and come up with opposite ideas on how a system works and what the next step should be and we are not talking about something as complicated as evolution - there is no way you can prove a theory that cannot be replicated with 100% certainty sorry its just not possible |
