Suppose creation is true and evolution is false?

Hypothetically, if it were proved one day that Darwinian evolution was completely wrong, and that the Biblical account of creation is true. Here are the problems:

1. You have to arrive at the bizarre conclusion that God is obsessed with beetles. Why? Because there are more than 250,000 different known types of beetle, more varieties than any other species; in fact, one in 4 of all species is some kind of beetle.

2. You also have to accept that God deliberately designed and created such horrifying creatures as the killer bee, the black widow spider, the velociraptor, the AIDS virus and other nightmares of nature. ALSO, He gave some creatures spines and claws, and others shields and armour to protect them from the ones he gave the spines and claws to!!! Others he carefully created with an array of poisons and camoflage!

What on earth is he playing at? Darwinian evolution explains all of these completely, in fact it pretty much requires the existance of these creatures.

Okay, okay, the black widow is a stretch. Is the brown recluse more to your liking?

Biology is the least of the problems you'd run into.

The biblical story of creation states that there are is no sun, no moon, no planets, and no stars other than as lights in the firmament so Astronomy is out the window and the space program is a lie.

Geology is wrong because it clearly shows a much older Earth than the bible.

Physics would need to be rethought.

Paleontology is, of course, out the window but so is Archeology because not only the fossil record but the human record goes back beyond the time of biblical creation.

A total mess.

P.S. LineDancer's choice of animals is interesting since the bible makes clear that it considers bats to be a type of bird.

Wow! You don't say? Are you trying to say God isn't real? I have never heard that explained so clearly before. I'm with you girl. Let start going to all the Churches and explaining it to them. We will start a complete revolution.

i hate spiders. ohhh yes i do

If? There is no "if." The Bible says that God created life to reproduce "according to its kind." A dog will make another dog. So will a cat, rat, and a bat. They will stay with their species. That leaves no room for evolution.

AIDS came from us trying to have sex with monkey's. Guess were not as compadiable with monkey's as we thought.

Cmon Maggs. You know Satan made all the bad stuff, especially brussell sprouts. God only gets credit for the good stuff.

What the heck is so horrifying about a black widow spider? There's not one reported case in history of anyone dying from a black widow spider bite.
Otherwise, you present a decent case.

I believe in a hybrid of Creationism and Evolution:

Allah created everything (creation) and over the course of the millenia, He tweaked things different ways to create diversity and to improve upon His designs (evolution)

yes

Nonsense.You are building up a straw man god and then knocking him down.

I understand what you're saying, but in the whole scheme of things does it really matter what is true and what isn't. What someone believes isn't going to change the fact that there are 250,000 types of beetles out there.

Don't think that I'm trying to knock what you're saying, cause I'm not...I'm just saying that really, it doesn't matter. It's all here one way or another and we can't change that regardless of what one believes.

Wow. I think that you'd want to NOT beleive creation is true even if it was proved that it was.

suppose they're both true. God created the universe in one explosion, seeded the lands and oceans. THEN WE EVOLVED...

duh, he was smart! Everything on earth is essensial! Some things God did not create like man made things. Man made things Kill People! Duh.

Well said.

Yes, but the book of Job says that God may make it very uncomfortable for us. So no matter what he does, I believe in three things:
1) God
2) Evolution
3) Science

What's the deal with the platypus? Was that some sort of twelve-year-old's science experiment?

If you ask me the best evidence against creation/ID is Paris Hilton.

Well, everything evolves by its own kind. That does not mean that creation is not real. We were created human and will always be. Do you remember the tiny prehistoric horses? Well they grew larger. They evolved by their own kind and are still horses today, just so. Things change or evolve G-d meant it to be that way.

That was one of the problems Darwin himself had. He studied these bugs that laid their eggs in a catepillar then the larvae killed the catepillar from the inside out. Watching one of these caterpillars die, writhing, he said he didn't believe a just or good god would intentionally create a creature just to do such a terrible thing.

This is why not all Christians are creationists. Many of them see evolution as a tool or creation of their deity, since it allows for mistakes and ideas like intelligent design and creationism means that the Abrahamic god created evil things on purpose.

The capricious god of Creationism/Intelligent Design is not the god of all Christians, just a scary subset.

(Hey, he's not my god, but that doesn't mean I want to see his followers lumped in, you know?)

well, if one day, we speak to God and one of us asks Him: "so, God, hod did you make everything?" and God answers : "well, just the way i said in the Bible, not with evolution". Everyone who believed in evolution will say "oh, okay then guess we were wrong" and every one who believed in Creationalism will say "hehe, told ya."
Then they will all just be there and think...good, now THAT is solved.... what now? And the answer is, nothing now, fighting over how we were made is pointless. God is so pwerful that he could have just thought us, and we would have been. Why do we expect an explantaion from God, does He owe us one?

To tell you the truth, it does not matter how we got here, how we were made......that God made us and how we live is what is important. How He made is will not make one diff in our little lives.

What is who playing at? You mean God? Why don't you ask Him yourself? And don't forget to include all your "have to" arguments.

Personally, I don't see that creation and evolution have to be mutually exclusive. I HAVE noticed that when I pray to God for help, help arrives. Praying to Darwin, the help would take millions of years to arrive, if at all. By that time my need might have passed.

God is sovereign.

Who really knows what is evolution, what is creation, what is the world?
We only waste our time to dispute on things we don't know. We even don't know what is the atom, its origin, its purpose. Our soul is another mystery. The love, which connects our lives on earth and beautifies our souls with unfading glory, is a greater mystery. Perhaps, we better spend our time in shedding some light on these mysteries to improve our lives, instead of disputing on inaccurate theories which only leads to division and hatred.

I believe GOD does love beetles, most creature are given a defense and attack mechanism, all darwyne explains is his own thoughts about what happened, you might want to look at the years darwyne lived; are there any transcripts written about his hypothesis around two thousand years old? no. has there been a DARWINIAN debate that has lasted for over oh say two thousand years? no.
Long before your buddy darwyne there was GOD, debate about GOD, books about GOD, and then there is JESUS who was also around long before darwyne, had many books written about him that are around oh two thousand years.
so even if you hate the Christian GOD in all three Forms it is hard to believe that you would ignore all of the information surrounding creation and rely on one eccentric human account. narrow minded?

The problem with Darwin's Theory it that the link to humans has not been established. therefore it remains a theory, in other words it hasn't been proved. There are close to 100K species that can't be linked in Darwin's theory. So one must assume some bizarre hypothetical species existed, that can't be found to make his theory sound. If those species are found his theory would become the law of evolution and would no longer be a theory.

I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but I don't think evolution explains the AIDS virus very well. Unless there is something that tends to happen to cull the human herd from the Earth.

But, the thing is, I don't need to have the AIDS virus explained. I am adult enough to understand that sometimes, bad things happen. Sometimes, bad things just are.

The attempt to ascribe all natural phenomena (hurricanes, viruses, broken legs, etc) to some sort of deity smacks of primitivism to me. "God will send tornadoes and hurricanes to Disney World if they don't cancel their Gay Day" said Pat Robertson. This did not happen. What did happen that year, though, was a rash of hurricanes and tornadoes that swept the coast and the Bible belt. If Pat Robertson believes that hurricanes and tornadoes are, indeed, the indication of an angry God, then God must be really angry at the believers in the Bible belt. Because the Bible belt gets hit with more tornadoes than any other part of the country. Churches get demolished just as much as shopping centers and trailer parks do.

To look at the wind, or a virus, as being some sort of divine punishment makes no more sense than looking at an erupting volcano and exclaiming, "The volcano God is angry!" To vilify gay people for going to Disney World, or to say that AIDS is God's punishment on 'evil homosexuals' makes no more sense than tossing virgins into a volcano. Besides, if AIDS is God's punishment to gay people, then is Sickle Cell Anemia God's punishment to Black people?

I'm sure in the beginning there were not 250,000 kinds of beetles, just like there were not all the different breeds of dogs, horse, cats, birds etc... Even the plant life. Some of been bred to make a different breed by man through out the years.

The animals were created to get along with man. Man was perfect. It was not until after the flood that man could use the animals as food and the animals also could use each other as food. This was not Gods original purpose for man and animals (insects). As Gen. 9: 1 - 4 says "And God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. And a fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the heavens, upon everything that goes moving on the ground, and upon all the fishes of the sea. Into your hand they are now given. Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul - it's blood - you must not eat."

Isaiah promises a time when things will go back to there original purpose. "And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together, and mere boy will be leader over them. And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra, and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain, because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." Isaiah 11: 6-9

I believe the bible examples it very well.