Is it moral for the vatican to teach that condoms won't stop AIDS, so don't use them?

Is it moral to commit so many people in HIV-laden countries to sexual suicide?

HT, check your facts before gaining 2 points....that way they at least have intellectual value.

That's like saying body armor doesn't stop every bullet in a war zone.
Wouldn't you wear it anyway???

Yes.

Judeo-Christian tradition has taught for thousands of years:
1. Single people should be celibate.
2. Married people should be faithful to each other (adultery is wrong).
3. Married couples should welcome God's gift of children and, therefore, artificial birth control is against the will of God.

If the world is going to ignore teachings about chastity (1 & 2), then why is the world so upset about teaching artificial birth control (3)?

People who are already ignoring the more important teachings about chastity (1 and 2) should have no problem ignoring the less important teaching of artificial birth control (3).

Even if a person infected with AIDS was to use a condom to help protect his or her spouse, condoms are not 100% effective (read the box) and the spouse may be infected and die anyway. A person who truly loves their spouse would not endanger them in this way.

In regards to sex outside of marriage, the Church makes it a practice not to tell people how to sin. With or without a condom:
鈥?Fornication is still fornication
鈥?Adultery is still adultery

With love in Christ.

Yes it is moral for them to teach condom usewon't stop aids- the vatican is filled with people who chose celibate lives- so living with out sex is not unthinkable for them.
There are lots of ways that condoms can fail, however not having sex has proven to be 100% effective at stoping pregnency and all STDs. The Vatican is filled with celibate people who have lived their whole lives with out sex. Orthodox monks and Nuns are celibate as well, so you can live with out sex. I'm not getting any action myself, but lackanookie is better than real disease like aids, crabs, gonoria. Some one comparied a condom to body armour-
you only need body armour if your getting shot at- if you stay out of a combat zone you won't need it.

No. What the Vatican is doing is immoral.

I also heard that in the US a number of charities used to give money to African villages. Then, some of the charities heard that the villages had birth control clinics, handing out condoms and birth control pills, so the charities stopped sending money.

with or without AIDS, - the Vatican does not advocate birth-control.

And certainly does not advocate non-marital sex for 'fun'.

Why preserve the body when you lose your soul?

Not that I'm catholic, - but I pretty much know what the expound.

That's the problem with near-atheists that pretend to be "moral". Their highest 'god' is the temporal earth, -the here-and-now, the preservation of the flesh, to be titillated with their emotions with experiences. They have no grasp of the bigger picture.

BTW... You're a fool if you believe the BBC. There's always 'accusations" against the Vatican by accusers. The gist goes something like this "Vatican, - if you claim any kind of moral authority,- while promiscuous people are dying, - then we hate you, hate religion, and we'll make accusations against you about condom 'holes' and AIDS."

Where are your facts? If you want to jump HT for not having the facts then you should at least provide your own.

If the Vatican is correct in the statement that Condoms are ineffective against Aids then their stance on that matter is a moot point. becuase if they are right,( which they are for the most part. After all Condoms do not stop STD's. Aids and Hep are stopped, but not reliably. ) then using the Condoms would not stop Aids anyways and the partner would get it anyways.

If you live in Africa, what you need to learn is how Aids is spread. You don't need to be given a possibly ineffective tool and be told that it'll work.

You really should use complete arguments and not just little snippets like the political toy us Americans are calling "The Media".

If you are following Vatican declaration then you are not having pre marital sex in the first place. So you would be using that Condom on your wife. (something else they don't like.)

So they are not "Condemning" anyone. They are preaching what is in the end the best policy. If you are in Africa, and you don't know where a girl (or guy) has been.then go jump in the Nile, or have someone beat you in the head tell you stop moving.

So if you are having sex with a woman you don't know/are not married to then you are already disregarding Vatican declaration. And you are likely to disregard the rest of Vatican Declaration.

You need to get the real facts in order. Not just the tripe you are using as a source (whatever it is.)

No. It is completely irresponsible and unethical. They are willing to sacrifice lives in order to push their religious agenda. That, to me, is immoral.

Robin: ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME? AIDS is a PANDEMIC in Africa! You are acting like you think the entire continent is one big debaucherous orgy or something! Do yourself a favor and get an education before you open your mouth.

This is not a moral thing at all for the Vatican to do. They are not medical doctors and have no business giving medical advice to others. They need to keep themselves out of the government (and now medicine) and keep to religious affairs like they are supposed to.

It is moral for them to teach people that condoms are are tools which promote the hedonistic aspect of sexual intercourse. Virgins can't give each other AIDS on their wedding night, unless they contracted it from unusual circumstances such as an improperly conducted blood transfusion.

well, if those people in HIV-laden countries are rampantly having sexual intercourse with persons who did not make sure they did not have HIV before having sex with other persons, how is THAT moral to begin with?

No, it's downright immoral and unethical.

I can't understand how they would rather thousands die of AIDS than help people to prevent disease and pregnancy.

there can be nothing "moral" about an organization lead by a nazi, who still espouses nazi doctrine from his pulpit

IMHO the Vatican ceased saying anything relevant to modern human existence about 500 years ago.

Considering that the Vatican doesn't teach that, I don't see how it matters.

I think it's at least irresponsible.

considering that if u are catholic u arent supposed to have sex outside of wedlock , really i dont think they said anything about it like that

whats moral about the vatican

There is nothing in nature that will say thats right