I am pro choice, however, I do feel that abortions are currently being overused as a form of birth control. I feel that before a woman should be allowed to get an abortion, she should first have to submit to a psychological evaluation to ensure that it is in fact her choice, and a choice that she can live with, as many women commit suicide shortly after having the proceedure performed. I am pro choice as I feel that there are many women who 1. Simply cannot afford to care for a baby. 2. Who are addicted to Crack and/or other substances in which they would no doubt continue to use throughout their entire pregnancy and I have seen what a crack baby looks like when it is born and I have seen adults who were born as crack babies, and I have felt sorry for them and asked God myself why he would force someone to be born in such a horrific state, and force them to endure a life of torment and pain through no fault of their own. 3. There are a lot of women with HIV, I think it is better to have an abortion then to force a child to be born only to have to carry a fatal illness. There are other reasons, but that is all I will give for now. What do you think of my views? I do not feel that rape should be a factor a woman should consider in choosing whether or not to have an abortion unless it is incestious rape. I think in the choice, a woman should simply ask herself, do I want, and am I able to carry this baby and provide for this baby the type of life it deserves. I am pro-life, however I think you have a realistic view point on abortion. I don't see Roe V. Wade being over turned anytime soon, and I also think it would be a waste of time to try and over turn it. The best thing as a pro-lifer is to try and win the hearts and minds of those who disagree with me.
I agree with you feeling on evaluations. As far as crack babies and asking God about this. You don't have to be crack baby to be born with pain and disease. My father was actually 'born dead', but he was brought back, they had to straighten out his nose and sew back on an ear. Since you brought up God, I feel that we live in a fallen world. And is it God or the mother and the society around that forced this horrific state on the baby?
My major concerns is that tax money should not go to any abortion or to any embryonic stem cell research (I support adult stem cell research). And if a fetus could be viable outside of the womb it should be given a chance (I am referring to partial birth abortion).
But I appreciate your open and honest point of view even if we don't see eye to eye. I think you listen to too much right wing propaganda. The suicide rate in women after having an abortion is not higher than the suicide rate of women in general.
The idea that abortions are used as a form of birth control is beyond ludicrous. No one is going to go through an evasive procedure as opposed to buying a condom for a dollar or so. I agreed with you up until the rape part. I would not force my daughter at any age, especially a young age to carry a child conceived by rape 9 months. I do believe that it still should be her choice.
I also believe that if abortion should become illegal again, women will still have it done.
Those that want it outlawed, don't want to have to help pay for that child either. Nor do they tend to adopt. Sorry, but it sounds a little bit like pro-my-choice.
Pro-choice should be a woman's choice, without interference from us.
As far as the father of the baby having a say, I bet he'd have a fit if there was a law passed stating he'd have to carry a baby if his girlfriend/wife insisted on it (and it was medically possible). God does not FORCE anyone to do anything. We all have free will. I think women that are addicted to drugs and can't keep their fricking legs closed should be sterilized. Why should a baby lose it's life or suffer for the poor decisions made by the woman who conceives it? Abortion should never be used as a form of birth control. It's murder. It's not a choice, it's a baby. Your views are what most of the country believes. I think when one says they are pro-choice this is what they mean.
But I am against any kind of abortion. Your views are yours and mine are mine and we will never agree as long as you believe it is a fenus and not a baby.
Oh wait, you do believe it is a baby. That's fine. That's you're choice. However, if abortions are going to be legal, I don't see how you can make such specific stipulations on it. Who decides when someone is using it as birth control as opposed to who simply can't afford it? Your view is premised on the belief that a fetus is not an innocent living human being.
With that premise, your views are reasonable.
Abortion can not be debated without agreement on the same premise.
Is it a living human? or a clump of cells?
Resolve this satisfactorily and there will be little disagreement
Only the person giving birth has an idea of what the future holds for that child .
Only they can decide what is in the REAL best interest of the child ,
The emo challenged religious fanatics operate on fantasy and have caused great suffering to many many many children by forcing them into lives in living hell on earth .
ALL of them are going to hell for their selfish and wholesale disrespect for the child's Whole life ,
> respectable, i am prolife, my feeelings differ somewhat being medical life or death situations being the only reason to abort.Drug abuse and HIV stand to be medical issues.
knowing that abortion will probably never be outlawed, i feel that the father should also have to agree to it I do not agree with your view about abortion and rape. I was rapped at gun point when I was 16 years old. The man knew where I lived and the police could not help me. If he would have known I was pregnant he would have killed me and possibly my family. What was I suppose to do? Hope all goes well? Until you are in that situation you don't know where I am coming from. Honestly? I think you're trying to take the "choice" out of pro-choice, by substituting your judgement for the person who should be consulting with her doctor and then deciding in private. I am pro choice as well. My simple reasoning for that is nobody should be able to impose their views or morals on anybody else. What happens if the sire of said growth opts to view "it" as his child and wants it.? I am not "for" the act of abortion, but I am firmly in the column of the woman having the right to choose what they do to their body and what happens to their body. I think that every woman on the face of this earth has the right to control their own body and their own destiny, no matter what. In stating that, I think that abortion is a very personal decision and is not the right of anyone else to decide for another.
I am a mother, and I do understand the entire "killing of the unborn" argument (I couldn't have an intelligent opinion without understanding both sides of the argument, right?). But I do not see the logic in the "consequences" argument of the pro life groups. It takes two to make a baby, but only one to carry it for 9 months and give birth to it. And typically, if it is an unwanted pregnancy, it ends up being that very same one that ends up caring for the baby long after birth. Men aren't "restricted" or "tied to" the pregnancy; they can walk away. Where is the justification in that? How are men held accountable and responsible for the choice that BOTH made when deciding to have sex.
And then the question of birth control not being 100% effective comes into the mix. Women have to take "the pill" or use other forms of control for them to remain pregnancy free, while men like to use the entire excuse of "don't like how it feels" or promising the world if such an accident as a baby were to happen so they don't have to use a condom. The pill is not 100% effective, and my 3 year old daughter is proof enough for me. I was on the pill RELIGIOUSLY since the age of 16. I took it at the very same time each and every morning without fail. And in my late 30's, I ended up pregnant. And it wasn't like many out there. I was - and still am - married to my daughter's father. We just were rolling in our careers and hadn't planned on getting pregnant at the time. Guess God had other plans. . .
Like you state in your opinion - the choice is up to the woman. And that is how it should be. If one opposes abortion, then they should be doing things to educate others against it. Making it illegal is not the way to go. Cocaine and Heroine are both illegal, and yet we find addicts in our nation all the time. How is that? It is illegal! There are laws out there!
Education is the answer - laws are not always the answer. I think that we need to educate our youth. It needs to be hard, real, honest and not so pretty. Pregnancy should be a blessing in a couple's life - married or not. It should never be a "curse" or a "punishment". And we need to educate the youth to this ideal, and make sure that if they are going to have sex, that they are in fact stating that if a pregnancy results from that sexual encounter, then they are ready to be parents. But if the situation is that they are not ready, and they are not financially or mentally able to reasonably support and raise a child, that they know that they have options other than abortion, but abortion hould also be one of the options. I am a pro-life democrat (sounds almost like any oxymoron doesn't it,ha.) so I don't exactly agree with your views. However, these are your personal beliefs, so I will not judge. I am a mother and based on knowing what it feels like to be a mom, I could never abort. However, I don't feel it is my decision to tell others what they should or should not do. You have brought up some pretty good points, especially about babies born with HIV. I have never actually considered this as a reason someone would get an abortion. Thank you, for bringing this to my attention. You make some very good points.
However, alot of abortions would not even HAVE to be considered if casual sex was not quite so promiscuous. The little purple pill really doesn't solve everything and sex really isn't everything it's been made out to be. People have to grow up on this issue and realize there are MUCH higher goals to attain and MUCH better uses of our time and MUCH better ways to relate to other people and MUCH better things to spend our money on.
Alot of the examples you gave could have been avoided completely through education, counseling and programs that actually help people become better people rather than put a bandaid on the problems they have that require full out surgery.
You make a good case, but don't just stop there and say "Oh, well, let's kill whatever we feel overwhelmed about." Many times situations and hardships like those you've mentioned make us more aware of how we live our lives and what we may take for granted in our everyday, ordinary lives. Other times, hardships can help us to be better people in how we treat others.
We need to ask ourselves WHAT ELSE can be done in these situations that doesn't involve killing something before it even has a chance to possibly bless you in ways you never saw coming........
I am pro-life and although some of your reasons are well founded, I feel they are misdirected for the following.
1. life begins at conception - a fertilized seed will grow whether it is human, animal or vegetable.
2. Being unable to afford a baby is no reason to be a party to murder. There are extensive solutions to the lack of ability to provide for a baby -- adoption may be one of the better ones and there are institutions that assist mothers-to-be with the expenses of pregnancy, delivery and adoption out of a newborn. There is no justification for the termination of pregnancy just because of money.
3. God does not force anyone to be born. God allows and blesses a new life giving us the freedom of our actions and choices. I too have known several young women who have chosen to end a pregnancy and then suffered the mental consequences of their choice. I have even seen how their choices have effected other members of their family and friends.
4. Rape and incest are strong arguments for terminating a pregnancy, however, we must all remember that every person has the potential of great contributions to humanity and the aborted baby (I refuse to refer to this blessing as a "fetus") may just be the next Einstein.
5. Abortion to preclude the birth of a handicapped child (down syndrom, ect) is based on the belief that a test can predict that event. I know of several cases where positive tests have proven false and negative tests have proven false also.
6. I believe life here on this earth is a temporary situation and we are presented a challenge by God to do the very best we can with what we have to work with. He does not punish us with sickness or handicaps, he challenges us to be the best we can.
I TRULY EXPECT ANY NASTY COMMENTS, but I am a grown person and bring them on. I believe abortion is wrong. Abortion is killing a baby. You are sticking a vaccum into a lady with a razor on the end and cutting that baby up and sucking him or her out. That is just the fact of it. There are videos on youtube of an actual abortion and I have watched them. You can see the little baby inside struggling to get away from the tube inside trying to suck him or her out and this is a baby at only 12 weeks. You can just see the little one struggling. I honestly just do not see how a man or woman with any type of morals or a heart can go to work each day performing these procedures.
I dont see why anyone would choose abortion when there is adoption. in the end it is up to the women..I don't like the idea but of course I am a man and I did not care for my own kids much...as I divorced their
mother who was has been married six times and six divorces
some people are not meant to be married and have kids
and it seems a shame..these are the people who have so many
unwanted kids..Why have kids if you are not going to love them
and take care of them? My kids are OK...but I barely know them
as this happened a long time ago and they are 39 and 38...so they
are strangers..I should not have had kids ..it would have been better
for all concerned as these *KIDS* are having divorces and kids out
of wedlock and can't seem to function ..they are like their mother... I accept that there are very special cases where an abortion is appropriate but the huge majority of abortions are murder plain and simple.
I would love to see your Government sponsor a program to require that women who opt for an abortion can have it done for free but they must have their tubes tied at the same time.
I know people scream its a right to murder an unborn baby but some of us understand that its a baby that kicks not a fetus.
If you believe that abortion is wrong, then it is always wrong, there can be no exceptions. Murder is murder.
If you don't believe that abortion is wrong, then why have any restrictions on it at all? If you don't believe it is murder, then who cares who does it?
A human is a human (as defined by our DNA), and murder is wrong. Who cares what age the human is, or where it lives? Abortion is, by scientific definition, murder, it should be treated as such, with no exceptions, just like every other murder. You are quite logical in your decision and description. I have known of women who had babies, that cannot take care of, nor afford. They are against abortion. These children are suffering in every way and I feel terribly sorry for them. These women would not give the baby up for adoption because of family pressure. But, the families are not taking care of the children. I have one son, 41, that was all I could afford. I had my tubes cut when I was 22, which was unheard of back then. A woman has to take responsibility of their own body. I am also pro choice i believe that the baby is not fully a human until it is born it is part of the women's body it is her choice if she wants a baby. But i also believe that if a women doesn't not have the proper reason for an abortion she should not be allowed. A lot of women that become pregnant through rape are not ready to care for a child are physically and mentally broken so i have to disagree with you there. I think there should be tested as there state of mind Interesting views, but on a couple of points your thinking is not informed. A study was done on everything you stated and the results indicate that the crack and HIV issues are really small by percentage, especially since in most US cities crack is a drug of the past and srinking in demand.
What concerns me is that you don't seem to have an issue with another human being telling you what you can cannot do with your body, YOUR BODY.
If you believe that life begins at conception I have one question for you - explain the birth of Jesus. He was not conceieved by sperm and egg but yet once he was born he had life. I am prolife. The moment of conception the baby begins to grow and form. About the time a woman realizes she is with child, a heart beat may be detected.
A child is a gift from God. God doesn't make mistakes people do. There are too many people that would welcome that Gift to allow this to keep happening.
A partial birth abortion is done when the fetus is more than 20 weeks old. Sometimes the baby is delivered and laid in a trash bin, urinal, dirty linen basket to die. (Some states require and birth and death certificate.)
Sometimes a baby is delivered feet first except for the head. Then they poke a hole in the baby's skull and suck out it's brains. And then pull the baby out the rest of the way. (To stop the heart beat and deliver a dead baby).
If a girl has a baby in the high school bathroom and puts that baby in a trash can it is MURDER. But if she goes to an abortion clinic and they deliver a LIVE baby and put that child in a dirty linen basket to die (sometimes as long as 8 hours to die) that is ok. It just doesn't make sense to me.
If they do not want children, sterlize them. If they want children just to make welfare a way of life, sterlize them. If they have children to abuse and neglect, sterlize them.
Your views are your own. As long as you're comfortable with them, you don't need validation from anyone else.
I consider myself personally pro-life. I wish there weren't as many abortions as there are, especially when so many of them can be avoided in the first place. I wish people would think before they act, and realize that their actions have consequences. Contraception is cheap and easy to come by. And if a woman does become pregnant and doesn't want the baby, I'd love it if she'd consider adoption first. There are thousands of childless couples out there who are dying to give a baby a loving home.
But at the end of the day, what a woman chooses to do is her business, not mine.
However, given the suicide comment, and some of your other questions and answers today (you'd "vomit" if you saw two men kissing, for example), I wonder how genuine your professed views are. You wouldn't be bearing false witness, by any chance, would you? I have mixed feelings regarding the abortion issue. I tend to favour pro life, and if that is someone's choice then we have no right to be judgemental. It is true that many women have some issues when having an abortion but not all. I think you are exaggerating the rate of suicide related to abortions, I am sure they had other issues that made them resort to ending their lives. I know it is a sensitive topic and value everyones opinion and honestly on this, I really do see both sides. | 